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	==Ancient Culture==		==Ancient Culture==
	Though Terran and Vasudan archaeologists have been studying Ancient ruins for many years, and presumably have at least some understanding of their culture, very little of this knowledge has been passed on to the player. We know that they were arrogant, warlike, and expansionist, and that they enslaved and destroyed many other less advanced species in their rise to galactic prominence.		Though Terran and Vasudan archaeologists have been studying Ancient ruins for many years, and presumably have at least some understanding of their culture, very little of this knowledge has been passed on to the player. We know that they were arrogant, warlike, and expansionist, and that they enslaved and destroyed many other less advanced species in their rise to galactic prominence.

			==Ancient Fleets==
			Without considering the Knossos portal, no canonical information has been provided on Ancient fleet composition and even the most basic designs such as spacecraft and warships. In fact, those featured in several campaigns focused on the Ancients are entirely fanmade. Over the years, FreeSpace community members have debated on the true extent of Ancient fleets, with some claiming that they could easily build vessels far larger than juggernauts, and others claiming that a juggernaut would have been an upper limit to the size and capacity of their ships. Information extrapolated from canon sources is well founded to disprove [[The Lucifer invincibility misconception\|a common misconception]] by which [[Lucifer]] superdestroyers were indestructible for the Ancients, and ultimately destroyed most, if not all, of their terrestrial colonies.

	==Ancient Technology==		==Ancient Technology==

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	*The FS1 techroom description of the Vasudans states that Vasuda had been ruled by the same dynasty for 10,000 years. Bosch Monologue 1 states that the Ancients were destroyed "eight thousand years ago". This implies that there may have been period of about 2,000 years during which the Vasudans and Ancients coexisted.		*The FS1 techroom description of the Vasudans states that Vasuda had been ruled by the same dynasty for 10,000 years. Bosch Monologue 1 states that the Ancients were destroyed "eight thousand years ago". This implies that there may have been period of about 2,000 years during which the Vasudans and Ancients coexisted.
	*The Vasudans are said to be obsessed with preserving and studying history in FS1 and FS2 techroom briefings, perhaps because of their previous knowledge of the Ancients.		*The Vasudans are said to be obsessed with preserving and studying history in FS1 and FS2 techroom briefings, perhaps because of their previous knowledge of the Ancients.
	*Vasuda Prime is a hostile desert planet, implying that the Shivans had bombarded it when the Ancients inhabited it as they did in FS1 (which rendered Vasuda Prime "uninhabitable"). This implies the "nine cities of Troy" cycle that Bosch talked about in Monologue 1, with the Vasudans being the latest incarnation of the Ancients.

	== FreeSpace Reference Bible on the Ancients ==		== FreeSpace Reference Bible on the Ancients ==

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	The '''Ancients''' are the fourth and final canon species within the ''~~Freespace~~'' universe. Though their empire was at one point extensive, they are believed to have been made extinct by a massive [[Shivan]] assault around 8,000 years prior to the events of ''FreeSpace 1'' (i.e. circa 5,500 BC, note that this is also near the time the Crab Nebula would have been a supernova, hence leading to the question of whether the Shivans used their anti-stellar weapons on the Ancients). Though they have never been directly encountered by modern [[Terrans]] or [[Vasudans]], their influence on Terran and Vasudan affairs have been considerable. It was Ancient knowledge of [[subspace]] tracking that allowed the ''[[SD Lucifer\|Lucifer]]'' to be destroyed, and the Ancient built [[Knossos]] portals that provided a link between Shivan and [[GTVA]]-held space, which allowed the [[Second Shivan Incursion]] to occur in 2367.		The '''Ancients''' are the fourth and final canon species within the ''FreeSpace'' universe. Though their empire was at one point extensive, they are believed to have been made extinct by a massive [[Shivan]] assault around 8,000 years prior to the events of ''FreeSpace 1'' (i.e. circa 5,500 BC, note that this is also near the time the Crab Nebula would have been a supernova, hence leading to the question of whether the Shivans used their anti-stellar weapons on the Ancients). Though they have never been directly encountered by modern [[Terrans]] or [[Vasudans]], their influence on Terran and Vasudan affairs have been considerable. It was Ancient knowledge of [[subspace]] tracking that allowed the ''[[SD Lucifer\|Lucifer]]'' to be destroyed, and the Ancient built [[Knossos]] portals that provided a link between Shivan and [[Galactic Terran-Vasudan Alliance\|GTVA]]-held space, which allowed the [[Second Shivan Incursion]] to occur in 2367.

	==Ancient Culture==		==Ancient Culture==

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	The '''Ancients''' are the fourth and final canon species within the ''Freespace'' universe. Though their empire was at one point extensive, they are believed to have been made extinct by a massive [[Shivan]] assault around 8,000 years prior to the events of ''FreeSpace 1'' (i.e. circa 5,500 BC, note that this is also near the time the Crab Nebula would have been a supernova, hence leading to the question of whether the Shivans used their anti-stellar weapons on the Ancients). Though they have never been directly encountered by modern [[Terrans]] or [[Vasudans]], their influence on Terran and Vasudan affairs have been considerable. It was Ancient knowledge of [[~~subpace~~]] tracking that allowed the ''[[SD Lucifer\|Lucifer]]'' to be destroyed, and the Ancient built [[Knossos]] portals that provided a link between Shivan and [[GTVA]]-held space, which allowed the [[Second Shivan Incursion]] to occur in 2367.		The '''Ancients''' are the fourth and final canon species within the ''Freespace'' universe. Though their empire was at one point extensive, they are believed to have been made extinct by a massive [[Shivan]] assault around 8,000 years prior to the events of ''FreeSpace 1'' (i.e. circa 5,500 BC, note that this is also near the time the Crab Nebula would have been a supernova, hence leading to the question of whether the Shivans used their anti-stellar weapons on the Ancients). Though they have never been directly encountered by modern [[Terrans]] or [[Vasudans]], their influence on Terran and Vasudan affairs have been considerable. It was Ancient knowledge of [[subspace]] tracking that allowed the ''[[SD Lucifer\|Lucifer]]'' to be destroyed, and the Ancient built [[Knossos]] portals that provided a link between Shivan and [[GTVA]]-held space, which allowed the [[Second Shivan Incursion]] to occur in 2367.

	==Ancient Culture==		==Ancient Culture==

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	The '''Ancients''' are the fourth and final canon species within the ''Freespace'' universe. Though their empire was at one point extensive, they are believed to have been made extinct by a massive [[Shivan]] assault around 8,000 years prior to the events of ''~~Freespace~~ 1'' (i.e. circa 5,500 BC, note that this is also near the time the Crab Nebula would have been a supernova, hence leading to the question of whether the Shivans used their anti-stellar weapons on the Ancients). Though they have never been directly encountered by modern [[Terrans]] or [[Vasudans]], their influence on Terran and Vasudan affairs have been considerable. It was Ancient knowledge of subpace tracking that allowed the ''[[SD Lucifer\|Lucifer]]'' to be destroyed, and the Ancient built [[Knossos]] portals that provided a link between Shivan and [[GTVA]]-held space, which allowed the [[Second Shivan Incursion]] to occur in 2367.		The '''Ancients''' are the fourth and final canon species within the ''Freespace'' universe. Though their empire was at one point extensive, they are believed to have been made extinct by a massive [[Shivan]] assault around 8,000 years prior to the events of ''FreeSpace 1'' (i.e. circa 5,500 BC, note that this is also near the time the Crab Nebula would have been a supernova, hence leading to the question of whether the Shivans used their anti-stellar weapons on the Ancients). Though they have never been directly encountered by modern [[Terrans]] or [[Vasudans]], their influence on Terran and Vasudan affairs have been considerable. It was Ancient knowledge of [[subpace]] tracking that allowed the ''[[SD Lucifer\|Lucifer]]'' to be destroyed, and the Ancient built [[Knossos]] portals that provided a link between Shivan and [[GTVA]]-held space, which allowed the [[Second Shivan Incursion]] to occur in 2367.

	==Ancient Culture==		==Ancient Culture==
	Though Terran and Vasudan archaeologists have been studying Ancient ruins for many years, and presumably have at least some understanding of their culture, very little of this knowledge has been passed on to the player. We know that they were arrogant, warlike and expansionist, and that they enslaved and destroyed many other less advanced species in their rise to galactic prominence.		Though Terran and Vasudan archaeologists have been studying Ancient ruins for many years, and presumably have at least some understanding of their culture, very little of this knowledge has been passed on to the player. We know that they were arrogant, warlike, and expansionist, and that they enslaved and destroyed many other less advanced species in their rise to galactic prominence.

	==Ancient Technology==		==Ancient Technology==
	Again, while the GTVA probably has a degree of understanding in this area, very little data on the level of technological sophistication has been given in game. We know that their knowledge of subspace exceeded that of the GTVA, and allowed them to create both the subspace tracking technology and the Knossos portals. Beyond that, no official canon data is available, though comments by [[Volition]] developers state that the Ancients were no more than a few decades ahead of the GTA and PVN at the time of ''~~Freespace~~ 1'', except in the area of subspace.		Again, while the GTVA probably has a degree of understanding in this area, very little data on the level of technological sophistication has been given in game. We know that their knowledge of subspace exceeded that of the GTVA, and allowed them to create both the subspace tracking technology and the Knossos portals. Beyond that, no official canon data is available, though comments by [[Volition]] developers state that the Ancients were no more than a few decades ahead of the GTA and PVN at the time of ''FreeSpace 1'', except in the area of subspace.

	==Relationship to the Vasudans==		==Relationship to the Vasudans==
	The existence of a relationship between the Ancients and the Vasudans is based on compelling evidence, including what nearly ~~ammounts~~ to a canon confirmation by Volition. The written language of the Ancients is similar to that of the Vasudans ([[FreeSpace Reference Bible]] cutscene "Act 3 Misc 2A"). The same cutscene refers to how "this lends credence to Vasudan legends about their ancestry".		The existence of a relationship between the Ancients and the Vasudans is based on compelling evidence, including what nearly amounts to a canon confirmation by Volition. The written language of the Ancients is similar to that of the Vasudans ([[FreeSpace Reference Bible]] cutscene "Act 3 Misc 2A"). The same cutscene refers to how "this lends credence to Vasudan legends about their ancestry".

	In addition,		In addition,

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	== FreeSpace Reference Bible on the Ancients ==		== FreeSpace Reference Bible on the Ancients ==

	"It is suspected that the Vasudans may have actually been visited long ago in their past by another race, simply called ~~“the Ancients”~~. Not much is known about this race, but from archaeological digs, it seems that they originated from a system nearby to Vasuda Prime. Since it is unlikely that Vasuda Prime could have sustained a primitive race for long enough to develop space travel, it is not unfeasible that ~~“the Ancients”~~ may have helped Vasudan culture develop enough to allow them to survive."		"It is suspected that the Vasudans may have actually been visited long ago in their past by another race, simply called 'the Ancients'. Not much is known about this race, but from archaeological digs, it seems that they originated from a system nearby to Vasuda Prime. Since it is unlikely that Vasuda Prime could have sustained a primitive race for long enough to develop space travel, it is not unfeasible that 'the Ancients' may have helped Vasudan culture develop enough to allow them to survive."

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	*Vasuda Prime is a hostile desert planet, implying that the Shivans had bombarded it when the Ancients inhabited it as they did in FS1 (which rendered Vasuda Prime "uninhabitable"). This implies the "nine cities of Troy" cycle that Bosch talked about in Monologue 1, with the Vasudans being the latest incarnation of the Ancients.		*Vasuda Prime is a hostile desert planet, implying that the Shivans had bombarded it when the Ancients inhabited it as they did in FS1 (which rendered Vasuda Prime "uninhabitable"). This implies the "nine cities of Troy" cycle that Bosch talked about in Monologue 1, with the Vasudans being the latest incarnation of the Ancients.

	~~The~~ FreeSpace Reference Bible ~~also notes,~~		== FreeSpace Reference Bible on the Ancients ==

	"It is suspected that the Vasudans may have actually been visited long ago in their past by another race, simply called “the Ancients”. Not much is known about this race, but from archaeological digs, it seems that they originated from a system nearby to Vasuda Prime. Since it is unlikely that Vasuda Prime could have sustained a primitive race for long enough to develop space travel, it is not unfeasible that “the Ancients” may have helped Vasudan culture develop enough to allow them to survive."		"It is suspected that the Vasudans may have actually been visited long ago in their past by another race, simply called “the Ancients”. Not much is known about this race, but from archaeological digs, it seems that they originated from a system nearby to Vasuda Prime. Since it is unlikely that Vasuda Prime could have sustained a primitive race for long enough to develop space travel, it is not unfeasible that “the Ancients” may have helped Vasudan culture develop enough to allow them to survive."

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	*The Vasudans are said to be obsessed with preserving and studying history in FS1 and FS2 techroom briefings, perhaps because of their previous knowledge of the Ancients.		*The Vasudans are said to be obsessed with preserving and studying history in FS1 and FS2 techroom briefings, perhaps because of their previous knowledge of the Ancients.
	*Vasuda Prime is a hostile desert planet, implying that the Shivans had bombarded it when the Ancients inhabited it as they did in FS1 (which rendered Vasuda Prime "uninhabitable"). This implies the "nine cities of Troy" cycle that Bosch talked about in Monologue 1, with the Vasudans being the latest incarnation of the Ancients.		*Vasuda Prime is a hostile desert planet, implying that the Shivans had bombarded it when the Ancients inhabited it as they did in FS1 (which rendered Vasuda Prime "uninhabitable"). This implies the "nine cities of Troy" cycle that Bosch talked about in Monologue 1, with the Vasudans being the latest incarnation of the Ancients.

			The FreeSpace Reference Bible also notes,

			"It is suspected that the Vasudans may have actually been visited long ago in their past by another race, simply called “the Ancients”. Not much is known about this race, but from archaeological digs, it seems that they originated from a system nearby to Vasuda Prime. Since it is unlikely that Vasuda Prime could have sustained a primitive race for long enough to develop space travel, it is not unfeasible that “the Ancients” may have helped Vasudan culture develop enough to allow them to survive."

	[[Category:Species]]		[[Category:Species]]

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	==Relationship to the Vasudans==		==Relationship to the Vasudans==
	The existence of a relationship between the Ancients and the Vasudans is based on ~~circumstantial but~~ compelling evidence.		The existence of a relationship between the Ancients and the Vasudans is based on compelling evidence, including what nearly ammounts to a canon confirmation by Volition. The written language of the Ancients is similar to that of the Vasudans ([[FreeSpace Reference Bible]] cutscene "Act 3 Misc 2A"). The same cutscene refers to how "this lends credence to Vasudan legends about their ancestry".
	*The written language of the Ancients is similar to that of the Vasudans.
			In addition,

	*The Ancient homeworld is described as being "near to Vasuda".		*The Ancient homeworld is described as being "near to Vasuda".
	*The prophecies referenced by the [[Hammer of Light]] speak of predictions of cosmic destroyers, and may have been referring to the Shivans. The only way the primitive Vasudans of the time could have known about the Shivans would have been for a more advanced species to have told them about them. For this knowledge (and presumably dire warnings) to be mutated into prophecy is not unlikely.		*The prophecies referenced by the [[Hammer of Light]] speak of predictions of cosmic destroyers, and may have been referring to the Shivans. The only way the primitive Vasudans of the time could have known about the Shivans would have been for a more advanced species to have told them about them. For this knowledge (and presumably dire warnings) to be mutated into prophecy is not unlikely.
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	*The Vasudans are said to be obsessed with preserving and studying history in FS1 and FS2 techroom briefings, perhaps because of their previous knowledge of the Ancients.		*The Vasudans are said to be obsessed with preserving and studying history in FS1 and FS2 techroom briefings, perhaps because of their previous knowledge of the Ancients.
	*Vasuda Prime is a hostile desert planet, implying that the Shivans had bombarded it when the Ancients inhabited it as they did in FS1 (which rendered Vasuda Prime "uninhabitable"). This implies the "nine cities of Troy" cycle that Bosch talked about in Monologue 1, with the Vasudans being the latest incarnation of the Ancients.		*Vasuda Prime is a hostile desert planet, implying that the Shivans had bombarded it when the Ancients inhabited it as they did in FS1 (which rendered Vasuda Prime "uninhabitable"). This implies the "nine cities of Troy" cycle that Bosch talked about in Monologue 1, with the Vasudans being the latest incarnation of the Ancients.

	Overall, the likelihood of some kind of relationship between the two species seems likely, but without more information or direct confirmation, it is difficult to speculate on the nature of that relationship.

	[[Category:Species]]		[[Category:Species]]

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	*The FS1 techroom description of the Vasudans states that Vasuda had been ruled by the same dynasty for 10,000 years. Bosch Monologue 1 states that the Ancients were destroyed "eight thousand years ago". This implies that there may have been period of about 2,000 years during which the Vasudans and Ancients coexisted.		*The FS1 techroom description of the Vasudans states that Vasuda had been ruled by the same dynasty for 10,000 years. Bosch Monologue 1 states that the Ancients were destroyed "eight thousand years ago". This implies that there may have been period of about 2,000 years during which the Vasudans and Ancients coexisted.
	*The Vasudans are said to be obsessed with preserving and studying history in FS1 and FS2 techroom briefings, perhaps because of their previous knowledge of the Ancients.		*The Vasudans are said to be obsessed with preserving and studying history in FS1 and FS2 techroom briefings, perhaps because of their previous knowledge of the Ancients.
			*Vasuda Prime is a hostile desert planet, implying that the Shivans had bombarded it when the Ancients inhabited it as they did in FS1 (which rendered Vasuda Prime "uninhabitable"). This implies the "nine cities of Troy" cycle that Bosch talked about in Monologue 1, with the Vasudans being the latest incarnation of the Ancients.

	Overall, the likelihood of some kind of relationship between the two species seems likely, but without more information or direct confirmation, it is difficult to speculate on the nature of that relationship~~. It is also important to remember that with no exact date for the Ancient race's extinsion or the Vasudan's evolution, there is no confermation that this is even possible~~.		Overall, the likelihood of some kind of relationship between the two species seems likely, but without more information or direct confirmation, it is difficult to speculate on the nature of that relationship.

	[[Category:Species]]		[[Category:Species]]