Fly as a capital ship - Revision history

Marcov at 12:04, 20 May 2011

2011-05-20T12:04:00Z

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	The other way is to table hack to make them drivable; put the "player ship" flag in the flags section of the warship you want to make available.		The other way is to table hack to make them drivable; put the "player ship" flag in the flags section of the warship you want to make available.

	Although you are tricking the game to fly as a capital ship while you should be flying as a fighter, the game will treat you as a capital ship in all respects. This means that you will be targetted by anti-capital ship [[Beam ~~Weapon~~\|beams]], bombers will launch [[GTM Cyclops\|Cyclops torpedoes]] at you, and wings protecting you will make normal cruiser guarding patrol patterns.		Although you are tricking the game to fly as a capital ship while you should be flying as a fighter, the game will treat you as a capital ship in all respects. This means that you will be targetted by anti-capital ship [[Beam weapon\|beams]], bombers will launch [[GTM Cyclops\|Cyclops torpedoes]] at you, and wings protecting you will make normal cruiser guarding patrol patterns.

Marcov at 12:02, 20 May 2011

2011-05-20T12:02:42Z

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	For starters, suppose that you have 2 ships in a mission. [[Alpha 1]] is in a [[GTF Loki\|Loki]], while Beta 1 happens to be an [[GTD Orion\|Orion]]. Save the game, start FreeSpace 2, go to the mission simulator, and select the mission. When you're there, go to ship selection and there will be 2 icons, Alpha 1 (you) is a Loki, and Beta 1 is an Orion. Switch those 2 ships and start the mission. Congratulations, you're flying an Orion now.		For starters, suppose that you have 2 ships in a mission. [[Alpha 1]] is in a [[GTF Loki\|Loki]], while Beta 1 happens to be an [[GTD Orion\|Orion]]. Save the game, start FreeSpace 2, go to the mission simulator, and select the mission. When you're there, go to ship selection and there will be 2 icons, Alpha 1 (you) is a Loki, and Beta 1 is an Orion. Switch those 2 ships and start the mission. Congratulations, you're flying an Orion now.

	The other way is to table hack to make them drivable; put the ~~[[http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Ships.tbl#.22player_ship.22\|~~"player ship" flag]] in the flags section of the warship you want to make available.		The other way is to table hack to make them drivable; put the "player ship" flag in the flags section of the warship you want to make available.

	Although you are tricking the game to fly as a capital ship while you should be flying as a fighter, the game will treat you as a capital ship in all respects. This means that you will be targetted by anti-capital ship [[Beam Weapon\|beams]], bombers will launch [[GTM Cyclops\|Cyclops torpedoes]] at you, and wings protecting you will make normal cruiser guarding patrol patterns.		Although you are tricking the game to fly as a capital ship while you should be flying as a fighter, the game will treat you as a capital ship in all respects. This means that you will be targetted by anti-capital ship [[Beam Weapon\|beams]], bombers will launch [[GTM Cyclops\|Cyclops torpedoes]] at you, and wings protecting you will make normal cruiser guarding patrol patterns.

Marcov at 12:02, 20 May 2011

2011-05-20T12:02:04Z

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	For starters, suppose that you have 2 ships in a mission. [[Alpha 1]] is in a [[GTF Loki\|Loki]], while Beta 1 happens to be an [[GTD Orion\|Orion]]. Save the game, start FreeSpace 2, go to the mission simulator, and select the mission. When you're there, go to ship selection and there will be 2 icons, Alpha 1 (you) is a Loki, and Beta 1 is an Orion. Switch those 2 ships and start the mission. Congratulations, you're flying an Orion now.		For starters, suppose that you have 2 ships in a mission. [[Alpha 1]] is in a [[GTF Loki\|Loki]], while Beta 1 happens to be an [[GTD Orion\|Orion]]. Save the game, start FreeSpace 2, go to the mission simulator, and select the mission. When you're there, go to ship selection and there will be 2 icons, Alpha 1 (you) is a Loki, and Beta 1 is an Orion. Switch those 2 ships and start the mission. Congratulations, you're flying an Orion now.

	The other way is to table hack to make them drivable; put the [[http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Ships.tbl#.22player_ship.22\|"~~player_ship~~" flag]] in the flags section of the warship you want to make available.		The other way is to table hack to make them drivable; put the [[http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Ships.tbl#.22player_ship.22\|"player ship" flag]] in the flags section of the warship you want to make available.

	Although you are tricking the game to fly as a capital ship while you should be flying as a fighter, the game will treat you as a capital ship in all respects. This means that you will be targetted by anti-capital ship [[Beam Weapon\|beams]], bombers will launch [[GTM Cyclops\|Cyclops torpedoes]] at you, and wings protecting you will make normal cruiser guarding patrol patterns.		Although you are tricking the game to fly as a capital ship while you should be flying as a fighter, the game will treat you as a capital ship in all respects. This means that you will be targetted by anti-capital ship [[Beam Weapon\|beams]], bombers will launch [[GTM Cyclops\|Cyclops torpedoes]] at you, and wings protecting you will make normal cruiser guarding patrol patterns.

Marcov: Fixed spelling error (missiion --> mission), placed some links, made some things more grammatically correct.

2011-05-20T12:01:01Z

Fixed spelling error (missiion --> mission), placed some links, made some things more grammatically correct.

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	There is a trick that FREDders can do while FREDding a ~~missiion~~ that can allow them to pilot ships that they normally can't. This includes freighters, cruisers, capital ships, and even the ''[[GTVA Colossus\|Colossus]]''.		There is a trick that FREDders can do while FREDding a mission that can allow them to pilot ships that they normally can't. This includes freighters, cruisers, capital ships, and even the ''[[GTVA Colossus\|Colossus]]''.

	For starters, suppose that you have 2 ships in a mission. Alpha 1 is in a Loki, while Beta 1 happens to be an Orion. Save the game, start FreeSpace 2, go to the mission simulator, and select the mission. When you're there, go to ship selection and there will be 2 icons, Alpha 1 (you) is a Loki, and Beta 1 is an Orion. Switch those 2 ships and start the mission. Congratulations, you're flying an Orion now.		For starters, suppose that you have 2 ships in a mission. [[Alpha 1]] is in a [[GTF Loki\|Loki]], while Beta 1 happens to be an [[GTD Orion\|Orion]]. Save the game, start FreeSpace 2, go to the mission simulator, and select the mission. When you're there, go to ship selection and there will be 2 icons, Alpha 1 (you) is a Loki, and Beta 1 is an Orion. Switch those 2 ships and start the mission. Congratulations, you're flying an Orion now.

	The other way is to table hack to make them drivable; put the "player_ship" flag in the flags section of the warship you want to make available.		The other way is to table hack to make them drivable; put the [[http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Ships.tbl#.22player_ship.22\|"player_ship" flag]] in the flags section of the warship you want to make available.

	Although you are tricking the game to fly as a capital ship while you should be flying as a fighter, the game will treat you as a capital ship in all respects. This means that you will be targetted by anti-capital ship beams, bombers will launch ~~cyclops~~ at you, and wings protecting you will make normal cruiser guarding patrol patterns.		Although you are tricking the game to fly as a capital ship while you should be flying as a fighter, the game will treat you as a capital ship in all respects. This means that you will be targetted by anti-capital ship [[Beam Weapon\|beams]], bombers will launch [[GTM Cyclops\|Cyclops torpedoes]] at you, and wings protecting you will make normal cruiser guarding patrol patterns.

General Battuta: note

2011-05-07T13:45:36Z

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	*You can quite easily commit friendly fire. Your flak and beam guns will frequently hit all fighters that are tied up in dogfights, and your AI allies will start disciplining you for attacking them. These turrets cannot be disabled. Eventually, you be labeled as a backstabber and fail the mission.		*You can quite easily commit friendly fire. Your flak and beam guns will frequently hit all fighters that are tied up in dogfights, and your AI allies will start disciplining you for attacking them. These turrets cannot be disabled. Eventually, you be labeled as a backstabber and fail the mission.

	*Switching the gauges between shields, engines, and weapons can cause some unusual effects to occur. The shield gauge will work as normal and the weapons gauge won't do anything (since none of the capitals have primary weapons), but messing around with the engine gauge can actually cause some ships to slow down dramatically. For example: a maxed-out engine gauge will cause a Deimos to rank out to 60m/s, but a Hecate will reduce from a normal 15m/s to only 8m/s. This behaviour depends on the ships' listed Max Overclock speed value in [[ships.tbl]].		*Switching the gauges between shields, engines, and weapons can cause some unusual effects to occur. The shield gauge will work as normal and the weapons gauge won't do anything (since none of the capitals have primary weapons; however, note that weapon energy is FREDded to control turret rate of fire in missions like [[The Blade Itself]]), but messing around with the engine gauge can actually cause some ships to slow down dramatically. For example: a maxed-out engine gauge will cause a Deimos to rank out to 60m/s, but a Hecate will reduce from a normal 15m/s to only 8m/s. This behaviour depends on the ships' listed Max Overclock speed value in [[ships.tbl]].

	== Are there solutions to these problems? ==		== Are there solutions to these problems? ==

The E: Some minor additions and corrections here

2011-05-07T13:10:13Z

Some minor additions and corrections here

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	*As your subsystems are damaged, the damage list will grow until it obscures most of the screen.		*As your subsystems are damaged, the damage list will grow until it obscures most of the screen.

	*Every time you get hit, even with the most insignificant primary fire, your screen will irritatingly flash red.		*Every time you get hit, even with the most insignificant primary fire, your screen will irritatingly flash red. In 3.6.13 builds, the ships.tbl flag "no pain flash" has been added to work around this.

	*You can quite easily commit friendly fire. Your flak and beam guns will frequently hit all fighters that are tied up in dogfights, and your AI allies will start disciplining you for attacking them. These turrets cannot be disabled. Eventually, you be labeled as a backstabber and fail the mission.		*You can quite easily commit friendly fire. Your flak and beam guns will frequently hit all fighters that are tied up in dogfights, and your AI allies will start disciplining you for attacking them. These turrets cannot be disabled. Eventually, you be labeled as a backstabber and fail the mission.

	*Switching the gauges between shields, engines, and weapons can cause some unusual effects to occur. The shield gauge will work as normal and the weapons gauge won't do anything (since ~~all~~ the capitals ~~don't~~ have primary weapons), but messing around with engine gauge can actually cause some ~~capitals~~ to slow down dramatically. For example: a maxed-out engine gauge will cause a Deimos to rank out to 60m/s, but a Hecate will reduce from a normal 15m/s to only 8m/s. ~~The resaults for this highly varies between all~~ ships.		*Switching the gauges between shields, engines, and weapons can cause some unusual effects to occur. The shield gauge will work as normal and the weapons gauge won't do anything (since none of the capitals have primary weapons), but messing around with the engine gauge can actually cause some ships to slow down dramatically. For example: a maxed-out engine gauge will cause a Deimos to rank out to 60m/s, but a Hecate will reduce from a normal 15m/s to only 8m/s. This behaviour depends on the ships' listed Max Overclock speed value in [[ships.tbl]].

	== Are there solutions to these problems? ==		== Are there solutions to these problems? ==

Grunt minion22: oh yeah, one more thing to add.

2011-05-07T03:27:25Z

oh yeah, one more thing to add.

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	*You can quite easily commit friendly fire. Your flak and beam guns will frequently hit all fighters that are tied up in dogfights, and your AI allies will start disciplining you for attacking them. These turrets cannot be disabled. Eventually, you be labeled as a backstabber and fail the mission.		*You can quite easily commit friendly fire. Your flak and beam guns will frequently hit all fighters that are tied up in dogfights, and your AI allies will start disciplining you for attacking them. These turrets cannot be disabled. Eventually, you be labeled as a backstabber and fail the mission.

			*Switching the gauges between shields, engines, and weapons can cause some unusual effects to occur. The shield gauge will work as normal and the weapons gauge won't do anything (since all the capitals don't have primary weapons), but messing around with engine gauge can actually cause some capitals to slow down dramatically. For example: a maxed-out engine gauge will cause a Deimos to rank out to 60m/s, but a Hecate will reduce from a normal 15m/s to only 8m/s. The resaults for this highly varies between all ships.

	== Are there solutions to these problems? ==		== Are there solutions to these problems? ==

Grunt minion22: putting a little something in a sentance to make it sound a little better. even worth it to put it on? problably not though hehe.

2011-05-07T03:19:11Z

putting a little something in a sentance to make it sound a little better. even worth it to put it on? problably not though hehe.

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	*While it may seem cool to control a massive ship, keep in mind that you will be going slow, turning is horrible, and you have no primary gun mounts. Although you have dozens of turrets to do the work for you, having AI-controlled turrets doing all the shooting for you can really get you bored very fast.		*While it may seem cool to control a massive ship, keep in mind that you will be going slow, turning is horrible, and you have no primary gun mounts. Although you have dozens of turrets to do the work for you, having AI-controlled turrets doing all the shooting for you can really get you bored very fast.

	*If you're using FSO and send beam cannons unlocked by default in the Mission SPEC, all beam cannons will fire normally, except for yours. To make your beam cannons fire normally, you have to set a [[beam-free-all]] SEXP yourself.		*If you're using FSO and send beam cannons unlocked by default in the Mission SPEC, all beam cannons will fire normally, except for yours. To make your beam cannons fire normally, you have to set a [[beam-free-all]] SEXP on yourself.

	*Warping out while flying a capital ship is quite different from NPC capital ships warping out. Instead of shooting out forward at incredible speeds, you will be going at a slow pace, and the subspace vortex will take a minute to show up, as will take another minute for you to enter it. Mission designers should keep this in mind when requiring the player to flee a supernova in a capital ship.		*Warping out while flying a capital ship is quite different from NPC capital ships warping out. Instead of shooting out forward at incredible speeds, you will be going at a slow pace, and the subspace vortex will take a minute to show up, as will take another minute for you to enter it. Mission designers should keep this in mind when requiring the player to flee a supernova in a capital ship. The bigger the ship, the longer it takes to warp out.

	*As your subsystems are damaged, the damage list will grow until it obscures most of the screen.		*As your subsystems are damaged, the damage list will grow until it obscures most of the screen.
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	*You can quite easily commit friendly fire. Your flak and beam guns will frequently hit all fighters that are tied up in dogfights, and your AI allies will start disciplining you for attacking them. These turrets cannot be disabled. Eventually, you be labeled as a backstabber and fail the mission.		*You can quite easily commit friendly fire. Your flak and beam guns will frequently hit all fighters that are tied up in dogfights, and your AI allies will start disciplining you for attacking them. These turrets cannot be disabled. Eventually, you be labeled as a backstabber and fail the mission.


	== Are there solutions to these problems? ==		== Are there solutions to these problems? ==

Droid803: this article is as silly as the BoE syndrome article was a while back. so...outdated. time to fix....plz halp.

2011-04-11T17:33:43Z

this article is as silly as the BoE syndrome article was a while back. so...outdated. time to fix....plz halp.

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	Although you are tricking the game to fly as a capital ship while you should be flying as a fighter, the game will treat you as a capital ship in all respects. This means that you will be targetted by anti-capital ship beams, bombers will launch cyclops at you, and wings protecting you will make normal cruiser guarding patrol patterns.		Although you are tricking the game to fly as a capital ship while you should be flying as a fighter, the game will treat you as a capital ship in all respects. This means that you will be targetted by anti-capital ship beams, bombers will launch cyclops at you, and wings protecting you will make normal cruiser guarding patrol patterns.

	~~== Issues ==~~
	1. If you're using FSO and send beam cannons unlocked by default in the Mission SPEC, all beam cannons will fire normally, except for yours. To make your beam cannons fire normally, you have to set a [[beam-free-all]] SEXP yourself.

	~~2. Warping out while flying~~ a ~~capital~~ ship ~~is quite different from NPC capital ships warping out. Instead of shooting out forward at incredible speeds~~, you will be going ~~at a~~ slow ~~pace~~, and the ~~subspace vortex will take a minute to show up~~, ~~as will take another minute~~ for you ~~to enter it. Mission designers should keep this in mind when requiring the player to flee a supernova in a capital ship~~.		== What are the problems with such missions? ==
			*While it may seem cool to control a massive ship, keep in mind that you will be going slow, turning is horrible, and you have no primary gun mounts. Although you have dozens of turrets to do the work for you, having AI-controlled turrets doing all the shooting for you can really get you bored very fast.

	~~== Is this worth it? ==~~		*If you're using FSO and send beam cannons unlocked by default in the Mission SPEC, all beam cannons will fire normally, except for yours. To make your beam cannons fire normally, you have to set a [[beam-free-all]] SEXP yourself.
	~~The answer is no. While it may seem cool to control a massive ship~~, ~~keep in mind that you~~ will ~~be going slow~~, ~~turning is horrible~~, ~~and you have no primary gun mounts. Although~~ you have ~~dozens of turrets~~ to ~~do the work for you, having AI~~-~~controlled turrets doing~~ all ~~the shooting for you can really get you bored very fast~~.

	~~Additionally~~, ~~as your subsystems are damaged~~, the ~~damage list~~ will ~~grow until~~ it ~~obscures most of~~ the ~~screen~~.		*Warping out while flying a capital ship is quite different from NPC capital ships warping out. Instead of shooting out forward at incredible speeds, you will be going at a slow pace, and the subspace vortex will take a minute to show up, as will take another minute for you to enter it. Mission designers should keep this in mind when requiring the player to flee a supernova in a capital ship.

	~~Another issue is that~~ you can quite easily commit friendly fire. Your flak and beam guns will frequently hit all fighters that are tied up in dogfights, and your AI allies will start disciplining you for attacking them. These turrets cannot be disabled. Eventually, you be labeled as a backstabber and fail the mission.		*As your subsystems are damaged, the damage list will grow until it obscures most of the screen.

			*Every time you get hit, even with the most insignificant primary fire, your screen will irritatingly flash red.

			*You can quite easily commit friendly fire. Your flak and beam guns will frequently hit all fighters that are tied up in dogfights, and your AI allies will start disciplining you for attacking them. These turrets cannot be disabled. Eventually, you be labeled as a backstabber and fail the mission.


			== Are there solutions to these problems? ==
			*The list of damaged subsystems can be prevented by ship-subsys-guardian-threshold-ing subsystems not intended to be damaged.

			*A new ship flag can remove the "pain flash" that occurs every time your ship is hit.

			*Turret control scripts exist, allowing the player to designate targets, rather than leaving it to the AI, or even take control of turrets individually and aim.

			*Traitor detection can be disabled easily in the mission-specs if necessary.

			*Additional elements can be added to provide the player with more things do to, such as managing AI fighter wings, and utilizing FRED-created abilities for the capital ship.

			== Conclusion ==
			If done well, a capital-ship flying mission can be as, if not more, entertaining than a well-made fighter-based mission. Witness the side-story single-mission campaign [[The Blade Itself]] from [[Blue Planet: War in Heaven]]. However, this should probably not be attempted by novices, as the process of building these missions is rather involved, requiring table-side edits, a solid understanding of FRED, and basic knowledge of scripting to effectively create a stimulating mission out of.

	However, one thing can be fun about flying a capital ship - that is, duelling with other caps. Fly an Aeolus against a Rakshasa and you just might enjoy viewing the battle externally, watching your flak guns and laser cannons and beams impact your opponent; or take down waves of fighters using a lethal Deimos corvette. However, take note, flying a capital ship will usually just be for the fun of it, and making a campaign/formal mission out of it will be quite unsuited.
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Marcov at 04:49, 11 April 2011

2011-04-11T04:49:11Z

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	For starters, suppose that you have 2 ships in a mission. Alpha 1 is in a Loki, while Beta 1 happens to be an Orion. Save the game, start FreeSpace 2, go to the mission simulator, and select the mission. When you're there, go to ship selection and there will be 2 icons, Alpha 1 (you) is a Loki, and Beta 1 is an Orion. Switch those 2 ships and start the mission. Congratulations, you're flying an Orion now.		For starters, suppose that you have 2 ships in a mission. Alpha 1 is in a Loki, while Beta 1 happens to be an Orion. Save the game, start FreeSpace 2, go to the mission simulator, and select the mission. When you're there, go to ship selection and there will be 2 icons, Alpha 1 (you) is a Loki, and Beta 1 is an Orion. Switch those 2 ships and start the mission. Congratulations, you're flying an Orion now.

	The other way is to table hack to make them drivable.		The other way is to table hack to make them drivable; put the "player_ship" flag in the flags section of the warship you want to make available.

	Although you are tricking the game to fly as a capital ship while you should be flying as a fighter, the game will treat you as a capital ship in all respects. This means that you will be targetted by anti-capital ship beams, bombers will launch cyclops at you, and wings protecting you will make normal cruiser guarding patrol patterns.		Although you are tricking the game to fly as a capital ship while you should be flying as a fighter, the game will treat you as a capital ship in all respects. This means that you will be targetted by anti-capital ship beams, bombers will launch cyclops at you, and wings protecting you will make normal cruiser guarding patrol patterns.

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	For starters, suppose that you have 2 ships in a mission. [[Alpha 1]] is in a [[GTF Loki\|Loki]], while Beta 1 happens to be an [[GTD Orion\|Orion]]. Save the game, start FreeSpace 2, go to the mission simulator, and select the mission. When you're there, go to ship selection and there will be 2 icons, Alpha 1 (you) is a Loki, and Beta 1 is an Orion. Switch those 2 ships and start the mission. Congratulations, you're flying an Orion now.		For starters, suppose that you have 2 ships in a mission. [[Alpha 1]] is in a [[GTF Loki\|Loki]], while Beta 1 happens to be an [[GTD Orion\|Orion]]. Save the game, start FreeSpace 2, go to the mission simulator, and select the mission. When you're there, go to ship selection and there will be 2 icons, Alpha 1 (you) is a Loki, and Beta 1 is an Orion. Switch those 2 ships and start the mission. Congratulations, you're flying an Orion now.

	The other way is to table hack to make them drivable; put the [[http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Ships.tbl#.22player_ship.22\|"~~player_ship~~" flag]] in the flags section of the warship you want to make available.		The other way is to table hack to make them drivable; put the [[http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Ships.tbl#.22player_ship.22\|"player ship" flag]] in the flags section of the warship you want to make available.

	Although you are tricking the game to fly as a capital ship while you should be flying as a fighter, the game will treat you as a capital ship in all respects. This means that you will be targetted by anti-capital ship [[Beam Weapon\|beams]], bombers will launch [[GTM Cyclops\|Cyclops torpedoes]] at you, and wings protecting you will make normal cruiser guarding patrol patterns.		Although you are tricking the game to fly as a capital ship while you should be flying as a fighter, the game will treat you as a capital ship in all respects. This means that you will be targetted by anti-capital ship [[Beam Weapon\|beams]], bombers will launch [[GTM Cyclops\|Cyclops torpedoes]] at you, and wings protecting you will make normal cruiser guarding patrol patterns.