GTM Trebuchet - Revision history

Meganew: /* Veteran Comments */

2024-11-05T05:54:59Z

Veteran Comments

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	The Trebuchet seems to be quite over-powered in missions: It feels way too easy to just sit there at 5Tkm and disable the weapon subsystems of a capital ship one by one, often without any reaction (if the victim has no fighter squadrons available). Even with an escort, a huge capital ship is easily crippled by a close-up hit-and-run-attack, for just one Trebuchet is often enough to destroy a weapon subsystems even in "Hard" gaming mode.		The Trebuchet seems to be quite over-powered in missions: It feels way too easy to just sit there at 5Tkm and disable the weapon subsystems of a capital ship one by one, often without any reaction (if the victim has no fighter squadrons available). Even with an escort, a huge capital ship is easily crippled by a close-up hit-and-run-attack, for just one Trebuchet is often enough to destroy a weapon subsystems even in "Hard" gaming mode.


	Against ships with good point defenses and/or fighter screens, the Trebuchet can actually serve as a very-light anti-ship weapon due to it being impossible for point defenses to shoot down. The hull damage to warships is not much, but it definitely contributes, especially when a full wing of fighters fires a pair each. With a five kilometer range and no chance of it being intercepted/shot down, it will succeed in doing small but significant amounts of damage to warships where bombers would fail entirely.}}		Against ships with good point defenses and/or fighter screens, the Trebuchet can actually serve as a very-light anti-ship weapon due to it being impossible for point defenses to shoot down. The hull damage to warships is not much, but it definitely contributes, especially when a full wing of fighters fires a pair each. With a five kilometer range and no chance of it being intercepted/shot down, it will succeed in doing small but significant amounts of damage to warships where bombers would fail entirely.}}

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SaltyWaffles at 00:07, 16 June 2020

2020-06-16T00:07:40Z

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	The Trebuchet seems to be quite over-powered in missions: It feels way too easy to just sit there at 5Tkm and disable the weapon subsystems of a capital ship one by one, often without any reaction (if the victim has no fighter squadrons available). Even with an escort, a huge capital ship is easily crippled by a close-up hit-and-run-attack, for just one Trebuchet is often enough to destroy a weapon subsystems even in "Hard" gaming mode.}}		The Trebuchet seems to be quite over-powered in missions: It feels way too easy to just sit there at 5Tkm and disable the weapon subsystems of a capital ship one by one, often without any reaction (if the victim has no fighter squadrons available). Even with an escort, a huge capital ship is easily crippled by a close-up hit-and-run-attack, for just one Trebuchet is often enough to destroy a weapon subsystems even in "Hard" gaming mode.

			Against ships with good point defenses and/or fighter screens, the Trebuchet can actually serve as a very-light anti-ship weapon due to it being impossible for point defenses to shoot down. The hull damage to warships is not much, but it definitely contributes, especially when a full wing of fighters fires a pair each. With a five kilometer range and no chance of it being intercepted/shot down, it will succeed in doing small but significant amounts of damage to warships where bombers would fail entirely.}}

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Niffiwan: /* Statistics */

2014-05-21T07:07:57Z

Statistics

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	==Performance==		==Performance==
	===Statistics===		===Statistics===
	{{Secondary\|5 040\|6.0\|280\|840\|Average\|315\|Poor\|175\|Full\|840\|20 / 40\|Aspect Seeking\|N / A\|3.5 s\|3.0 s}}		{{Secondary\|5 040\|6.0\|280\|840\|Average\|315\|Poor\|175\|Full\|840\|20 / 40\|Aspect Seeking\|N / A\|3.5 s\|3.0 s}}


	==Notes==		==Notes==

Niffiwan: /* Notes */

2014-05-21T07:07:39Z

Notes

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
			*The shockwave doubles the damage against any target that takes a direct hit

	===Veteran Comments===		===Veteran Comments===

Hoot: /* Veteran Comments */

2013-03-04T21:49:12Z

Veteran Comments

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	Funnily enough, all FS2-era bombers can carry the Trebuchet. Custom missions can let bombers use the Trebuchet, and use them for ingress (taking out escort fighters or disarming turrets). This can work as a halfway decent tactic for bombers if fighters are preoccupied or too far away to assist.}}		Funnily enough, all FS2-era bombers can carry the Trebuchet. Custom missions can let bombers use the Trebuchet, and use them for ingress (taking out escort fighters or disarming turrets). This can work as a halfway decent tactic for bombers if fighters are preoccupied or too far away to assist.


			The Trebuchet seems to be quite over-powered in missions: It feels way too easy to just sit there at 5Tkm and disable the weapon subsystems of a capital ship one by one, often without any reaction (if the victim has no fighter squadrons available). Even with an escort, a huge capital ship is easily crippled by a close-up hit-and-run-attack, for just one Trebuchet is often enough to destroy a weapon subsystems even in "Hard" gaming mode.}}

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Black Yoshi1230: /* Veteran Comments */ There was a missing period, and a strange observation I noticed...

2012-08-19T04:27:41Z

Veteran Comments: There was a missing period, and a strange observation I noticed...

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	Dual Trebuchets can take out virtually any fighter or bomber. The only fault this missile has is its lack of maneuverability, and the space they take up in your secondary slots. Always pick up a rack of these if you're flying intercept.		Dual Trebuchets can take out virtually any fighter or bomber (save the Nephilim and Seraphim, which take about three or four). The only fault this missile has is its lack of maneuverability, and the space they take up in your secondary slots. Always pick up a rack of these if you're flying intercept.


	If you're flying escort, there is nothing better: a rack of 5, and you've destroyed 3/4 of any enemy wing before it's in range to fire on your escorted ships		If you're flying escort, there is nothing better: a rack of 5, and you've destroyed 3/4 of any enemy wing before it's in range to fire on your escorted ships. The [[GTF Hercules Mark II\|Hercules Mark Two]] or the Ares can prove its worth in heavy intercept with a rack of at least 10.


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	Touched on but not fully explained in previous comments, this weapon works best when fired in head on or at least low deflection angle passes at the maximum possible range. It flies a lead-pursuit path that makes it very difficult for enemies to evade, because they don't actually turn around and make the missile chase them, even in agile ships like Maras. Inside a certain range and/or behind a target, though, firing one of these is just a waste of ordnance. It should be noted that on any strikecraft target that isn't a Nephilim or Seraphim, firing primaries while closing on enemies and with Trebuchets in flight is counterproductive, as it will usually prompt the AI to try and evade your primary fire, the consequence of which is tighter turns than they would otherwise make if a closing Trebuchet volley is the only threat.}}		Touched on but not fully explained in previous comments, this weapon works best when fired in head on or at least low deflection angle passes at the maximum possible range. It flies a lead-pursuit path that makes it very difficult for enemies to evade, because they don't actually turn around and make the missile chase them, even in agile ships like Maras. Inside a certain range and/or behind a target, though, firing one of these is just a waste of ordnance. It should be noted that on any strikecraft target that isn't a Nephilim or Seraphim, firing primaries while closing on enemies and with Trebuchets in flight is counterproductive, as it will usually prompt the AI to try and evade your primary fire, the consequence of which is tighter turns than they would otherwise make if a closing Trebuchet volley is the only threat.


			Funnily enough, all FS2-era bombers can carry the Trebuchet. Custom missions can let bombers use the Trebuchet, and use them for ingress (taking out escort fighters or disarming turrets). This can work as a halfway decent tactic for bombers if fighters are preoccupied or too far away to assist.}}

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Androgeos Exeunt: What was supposed to be a spell-check ended up becoming a rewrite of the opening description.

2012-02-10T14:31:16Z

What was supposed to be a spell-check ended up becoming a rewrite of the opening description.

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	The '''GTM-55 Trebuchet''' is ~~a specialized tool~~ developed to assist guarding vessels in the interception of bombers at maximum range before they can deploy their torpedoes. With a range of ~~5km~~, this missile has the longest reach of any fighter-~~mounted system,~~ and can inflict ~~devestating~~ damage even to ~~heavily shielded~~ bombers.		The '''GTM-55 ''Trebuchet''''' is an [[GTVA\|Allied]]-designed heavy missile developed to assist guarding vessels in the interception of bombers at maximum range before they can deploy their torpedoes. With a targeting range of 5 km, this missile has the longest reach of any fighter-compatible missile and can inflict devastating damage even to the heaviest of bombers.
	~~<br><br>~~
	The primary disadvantages of this weapon are ~~that it lacks~~ agility, and ~~that it's a bulky peice of equipment~~. While few bombers are nimble enough to even think about evading an incoming Trebuchet, the missile ~~doesn't~~ stand a very good chance of hitting ~~any type of fighter~~. This ~~wouldn't~~ normally be a large problem for such a specialized system as this, but it is amplified because of each missile~~'s size~~, ~~making~~ each fighter ~~able to carry only a few rounds~~.		The primary disadvantages of this weapon are its lack of agility and large size. While few bombers are nimble enough to even think about evading an incoming ''Trebuchet'', the missile does not stand a very good chance of hitting ships at medium and close range. This would not normally be a large problem for such a specialized system as this, but it is amplified because of the size of each missile, severely limiting the number of missiles that can be mounted on each fighter.
	~~<br><br>~~
	Some pilots have reported a high degree of success using this weapon as a ~~sort of~~ light tactical torpedo. While the missile ~~doesn't~~ have anywhere near the effective payload of a [[GTM Cyclops]], it does have the advantages of ~~being longer-ranged~~, ~~compatible~~ with many fighters and interceptors, and ~~that~~ anti-torpedo defense systems ~~cannot target and destroy an incoming Trebuchet~~. Pilots disable a target ship's anti-fighter beams and flak from a safe distance, then move in for the kill with heavier ordnance. GTVA Command is considering an analysis program to explore this tactic from both an offensive and defensive standpoint.		Some pilots have reported a high degree of success using this weapon as a light tactical torpedo of sorts. While the missile does not have anywhere near the effective payload of a [[GTM Cyclops\|''Cyclops'' torpedo]], it does have the advantages of having nearly triple the effective range of even the [[GTM Helios\|GTM ''Helios'']], compatibility with many fighters and interceptors, and immunity to anti-torpedo defense systems due to its classification as a missile. Pilots can disable a target ship's anti-fighter beams and flak from a safe distance with ''Trebuchet'' missiles, then move in for the kill with heavier ordnance. GTVA Command is considering an analysis program to explore this tactic from both an offensive and defensive standpoint.

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TopAce: ordinance --> ordnance

2011-07-14T07:25:33Z

ordinance --> ordnance

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	Touched on but not fully explained in previous comments, this weapon works best when fired in head on or at least low deflection angle passes at the maximum possible range. It flies a lead-pursuit path that makes it very difficult for enemies to evade, because they don't actually turn around and make the missile chase them, even in agile ships like Maras. Inside a certain range and/or behind a target, though, firing one of these is just a waste of ~~ordinance~~. It should be noted that on any strikecraft target that isn't a Nephilim or Seraphim, firing primaries while closing on enemies and with Trebuchets in flight is counterproductive, as it will usually prompt the AI to try and evade your primary fire, the consequence of which is tighter turns than they would otherwise make if a closing Trebuchet volley is the only threat.}}		Touched on but not fully explained in previous comments, this weapon works best when fired in head on or at least low deflection angle passes at the maximum possible range. It flies a lead-pursuit path that makes it very difficult for enemies to evade, because they don't actually turn around and make the missile chase them, even in agile ships like Maras. Inside a certain range and/or behind a target, though, firing one of these is just a waste of ordnance. It should be noted that on any strikecraft target that isn't a Nephilim or Seraphim, firing primaries while closing on enemies and with Trebuchets in flight is counterproductive, as it will usually prompt the AI to try and evade your primary fire, the consequence of which is tighter turns than they would otherwise make if a closing Trebuchet volley is the only threat.}}

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RedAlbatross: /* Veteran Comments */

2011-07-14T03:52:28Z

Veteran Comments

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	Despite being one of the most effective anti-bomber/anti-turret weapons in the game, the AI is incapable of firing the Trebuchet. This is because of the combination of the "bomber+" flag and the "huge" flag in the table files. The first restricts the AI to firing the missile only at bombs and bombers, while the second prevents the AI from using it against smaller ships. Since these two types of targets are mutually exclusive, there are no valid targets at which the AI can fire the Trebuchet at. If you wish for AI to use Trebuchets in a mission, use the good-secondary-time SEXP.}}		Despite being one of the most effective anti-bomber/anti-turret weapons in the game, the AI is incapable of firing the Trebuchet. This is because of the combination of the "bomber+" flag and the "huge" flag in the table files. The first restricts the AI to firing the missile only at bombs and bombers, while the second prevents the AI from using it against smaller ships. Since these two types of targets are mutually exclusive, there are no valid targets at which the AI can fire the Trebuchet at. If you wish for AI to use Trebuchets in a mission, use the good-secondary-time SEXP.


			Touched on but not fully explained in previous comments, this weapon works best when fired in head on or at least low deflection angle passes at the maximum possible range. It flies a lead-pursuit path that makes it very difficult for enemies to evade, because they don't actually turn around and make the missile chase them, even in agile ships like Maras. Inside a certain range and/or behind a target, though, firing one of these is just a waste of ordinance. It should be noted that on any strikecraft target that isn't a Nephilim or Seraphim, firing primaries while closing on enemies and with Trebuchets in flight is counterproductive, as it will usually prompt the AI to try and evade your primary fire, the consequence of which is tighter turns than they would otherwise make if a closing Trebuchet volley is the only threat.}}

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Androgeos Exeunt: Re-added deleted comment and modified it a bit. As it turns out, it's not due to code errors in 3.6.10 that prevents the AI from using Trebs ... because they don't use it in 3.6.12 RC1 INF either.

2010-03-05T05:38:51Z

Re-added deleted comment and modified it a bit. As it turns out, it's not due to code errors in 3.6.10 that prevents the AI from using Trebs ... because they don't use it in 3.6.12 RC1 INF either.

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	In some missions, if the enemy consists of slower fighters like Mara, Basilisk, Aeshma, Herc II, Seth, and Tauret, and they are quite far away (>3000 m), a single Treb missile can knock them out of the water. I kid you not, in the campaign mission [[Bearbaiting]], after the Sathanas has jumped out and the Beleth has been destroyed, some fighters may still appear around 3 klicks out. Use any remaining Trebs against these fighters from long range and you'll be astonished as to how it can take them out.		In some missions, if the enemy consists of slower fighters like Mara, Basilisk, Aeshma, Herc II, Seth, and Tauret, and they are quite far away (>3000 m), a single Treb missile can knock them out of the water. I kid you not, in the campaign mission [[Bearbaiting]], after the Sathanas has jumped out and the Beleth has been destroyed, some fighters may still appear around 3 klicks out. Use any remaining Trebs against these fighters from long range and you'll be astonished as to how it can take them out.
	}}

			Despite being one of the most effective anti-bomber/anti-turret weapons in the game, the AI is incapable of firing the Trebuchet. This is because of the combination of the "bomber+" flag and the "huge" flag in the table files. The first restricts the AI to firing the missile only at bombs and bombers, while the second prevents the AI from using it against smaller ships. Since these two types of targets are mutually exclusive, there are no valid targets at which the AI can fire the Trebuchet at. If you wish for AI to use Trebuchets in a mission, use the good-secondary-time SEXP.}}

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