Talk:Mission balance - Revision history

TopAce at 18:49, 30 August 2008

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	*I used ''Eve of Destruction'' as an example, because a commentator on its article said that it is impossible to lose the mission. First mission or not, it is not good mission balance. Still, I agree that ''High Noon'' is a better example. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 12:49, 28 August 2008 (CDT)		*I used ''Eve of Destruction'' as an example, because a commentator on its article said that it is impossible to lose the mission. First mission or not, it is not good mission balance. Still, I agree that ''High Noon'' is a better example. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 12:49, 28 August 2008 (CDT)
	**I would note that Selectah has seriously editorialized the FS1 mission articles, to their detriment, and it is quite possible to lose Eve of Destructuion. You can get yourself killed. [[User:Ngtm1r\|Ngtm1r]] 11:30, 30 August 2008 (CDT)		**I would note that Selectah has seriously editorialized the FS1 mission articles, to their detriment, and it is quite possible to lose Eve of Destructuion. You can get yourself killed. [[User:Ngtm1r\|Ngtm1r]] 11:30, 30 August 2008 (CDT)
			***Well... ok. You know that we don't mean dying by "losing a mission." - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 13:49, 30 August 2008 (CDT)

Ngtm1r at 16:30, 30 August 2008

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	I'm about to give the whole article a thorough grammar-and-word-choice sweep, so I'll address my own complaints along with that, but I felt it was worth bringing up the distinction between the start of a learning curve and a poorly designed mission. -- [[User:BlueFlames\|BlueFlames]] 18:43, 27 August 2008 (CDT)		I'm about to give the whole article a thorough grammar-and-word-choice sweep, so I'll address my own complaints along with that, but I felt it was worth bringing up the distinction between the start of a learning curve and a poorly designed mission. -- [[User:BlueFlames\|BlueFlames]] 18:43, 27 August 2008 (CDT)
	*I used ''Eve of Destruction'' as an example, because a commentator on its article said that it is impossible to lose the mission. First mission or not, it is not good mission balance. Still, I agree that ''High Noon'' is a better example. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 12:49, 28 August 2008 (CDT)		*I used ''Eve of Destruction'' as an example, because a commentator on its article said that it is impossible to lose the mission. First mission or not, it is not good mission balance. Still, I agree that ''High Noon'' is a better example. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 12:49, 28 August 2008 (CDT)
			**I would note that Selectah has seriously editorialized the FS1 mission articles, to their detriment, and it is quite possible to lose Eve of Destructuion. You can get yourself killed. [[User:Ngtm1r\|Ngtm1r]] 11:30, 30 August 2008 (CDT)

TopAce: Answer

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	I'm about to give the whole article a thorough grammar-and-word-choice sweep, so I'll address my own complaints along with that, but I felt it was worth bringing up the distinction between the start of a learning curve and a poorly designed mission. -- [[User:BlueFlames\|BlueFlames]] 18:43, 27 August 2008 (CDT)		I'm about to give the whole article a thorough grammar-and-word-choice sweep, so I'll address my own complaints along with that, but I felt it was worth bringing up the distinction between the start of a learning curve and a poorly designed mission. -- [[User:BlueFlames\|BlueFlames]] 18:43, 27 August 2008 (CDT)
			*I used ''Eve of Destruction'' as an example, because a commentator on its article said that it is impossible to lose the mission. First mission or not, it is not good mission balance. Still, I agree that ''High Noon'' is a better example. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 12:49, 28 August 2008 (CDT)

BlueFlames: The dottering, old fool is ranting on talk pages again....

2008-08-27T23:43:08Z

The dottering, old fool is ranting on talk pages again....

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==Learning Curve and Examples==

Giving the intro section of this article a brief once-over, I had to question the use of the first mission of the FS1 and FS2 campaigns as examples of poorly balanced missions. Certainly, on your umpteenth run through either campaign, these missions will be easy, but criticizing them poorly balanced fails to account for their purpose. Either ''Eve of Destruction'' or ''Surrender, Belisarius'' is going to be the '''first''' mission a player flies in the FreeSpace universe, outside of training. It will be the first time the player faces off with weapons that will kill them in missions not scripted to prevent that possibility. The "average" player, on his first run through ''Eve of Destruction'', having less than thirty minutes of gameplay under his belt, doesn't have the same skill set as someone who has finished FS1 and FS2 and is moving onto user-made campaigns. Stacking the beginning of each of the main campaigns with exceptionally easy missions is an example of building a learning curve, not poor mission balance.

A more appropriate example of a mission made too easy in one of Volition's campaigns would be ''High Noon''. Here, the player has been through the first two acts of the main campaign and developed the necessary skills to succeed in a proper mission, yet is given a task that amounts to hanging near the ''Colossus''' AA defenses and taking a nap.

I'm about to give the whole article a thorough grammar-and-word-choice sweep, so I'll address my own complaints along with that, but I felt it was worth bringing up the distinction between the start of a learning curve and a poorly designed mission. -- [[User:BlueFlames|BlueFlames]] 18:43, 27 August 2008 (CDT)

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	*I used ''Eve of Destruction'' as an example, because a commentator on its article said that it is impossible to lose the mission. First mission or not, it is not good mission balance. Still, I agree that ''High Noon'' is a better example. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 12:49, 28 August 2008 (CDT)		*I used ''Eve of Destruction'' as an example, because a commentator on its article said that it is impossible to lose the mission. First mission or not, it is not good mission balance. Still, I agree that ''High Noon'' is a better example. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 12:49, 28 August 2008 (CDT)
	**I would note that Selectah has seriously editorialized the FS1 mission articles, to their detriment, and it is quite possible to lose Eve of Destructuion. You can get yourself killed. [[User:Ngtm1r\|Ngtm1r]] 11:30, 30 August 2008 (CDT)		**I would note that Selectah has seriously editorialized the FS1 mission articles, to their detriment, and it is quite possible to lose Eve of Destructuion. You can get yourself killed. [[User:Ngtm1r\|Ngtm1r]] 11:30, 30 August 2008 (CDT)
			***Well... ok. You know that we don't mean dying by "losing a mission." - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 13:49, 30 August 2008 (CDT)