Talk:Second Shivan Incursion - Revision history

https://wiki.hard-light.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3ASecond_Shivan_Incursion Talk:Second Shivan Incursion - Revision history 2026-11-15T14:19:27Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.43.9 https://wiki.hard-light.org/index.php?title=Talk:Second_Shivan_Incursion&diff=27141&oldid=prev Snail: replah 2009-12-15T17:25:35Z

<p>replah</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 17:25, 15 December 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l31">Line 31:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 31:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Should the SD Beleth be listed here as having been destroyed in Gamma Draconis? Isn't it an optional objective? - [[User:Machaka|Machaka]] 19:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Should the SD Beleth be listed here as having been destroyed in Gamma Draconis? Isn't it an optional objective? - [[User:Machaka|Machaka]] 19:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Well IMO it's more convenient to ''not'' take into account player action/inaction and just assume he did the mission fully. - [[User:Snail|Snail]] 17:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Snail https://wiki.hard-light.org/index.php?title=Talk:Second_Shivan_Incursion&diff=27127&oldid=prev Machaka at 19:03, 13 December 2009 2009-12-13T19:03:22Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 19:03, 13 December 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l29">Line 29:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 29:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Added note to the top of the page. - [[User:TopAce|TopAce]] 06:18, 9 July 2008 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Added note to the top of the page. - [[User:TopAce|TopAce]] 06:18, 9 July 2008 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Should the SD Beleth be listed here as having been destroyed in Gamma Draconis? Isn't it an optional objective? - [[User:Machaka|Machaka]] 19:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Machaka https://wiki.hard-light.org/index.php?title=Talk:Second_Shivan_Incursion&diff=16863&oldid=prev TopAce at 11:18, 9 July 2008 2008-07-09T11:18:12Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 11:18, 9 July 2008</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l27">Line 27:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 27:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Shivan Incursion multiplayer mission was rather innovative, and had a fair amount of play from the Game of the Year Edition and from free downloads at Volition/Volition Watch. Plus, I was wrote a great deal for Volition Watch at the time and I'm not too bad with words, thus having the opportunity to pick up the 100th monkey effect. Where else could the meme have come from? - Zarathud 7/6/08 3:30 PM CT</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Shivan Incursion multiplayer mission was rather innovative, and had a fair amount of play from the Game of the Year Edition and from free downloads at Volition/Volition Watch. Plus, I was wrote a great deal for Volition Watch at the time and I'm not too bad with words, thus having the opportunity to pick up the 100th monkey effect. Where else could the meme have come from? - Zarathud 7/6/08 3:30 PM CT</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Added note to the top of the page. - [[User:TopAce|TopAce]] 06:18, 9 July 2008 (CDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

TopAce https://wiki.hard-light.org/index.php?title=Talk:Second_Shivan_Incursion&diff=16818&oldid=prev Zarathud at 20:37, 6 July 2008 2008-07-06T20:37:27Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:37, 6 July 2008</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l26">Line 26:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 26:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Kinda self-centered of you to assume that a multi mission built for FS2 gave its name to the whole game's events ex post facto, isn't it? Incursion has lots of stuff going for it, since you can't really call it an invasion (the Shivans were the ones who got invaded really), incident sounds rather trite describing the blowing up of a star, etc. - [[User:Ngtm1r|Ngtm1r]] 03:55, 14 June 2008 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Kinda self-centered of you to assume that a multi mission built for FS2 gave its name to the whole game's events ex post facto, isn't it? Incursion has lots of stuff going for it, since you can't really call it an invasion (the Shivans were the ones who got invaded really), incident sounds rather trite describing the blowing up of a star, etc. - [[User:Ngtm1r|Ngtm1r]] 03:55, 14 June 2008 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Shivan Incursion multiplayer mission was rather innovative, and had a fair amount of play from the Game of the Year Edition. Plus, I was wrote a great deal for Volition Watch at the time and I'm not too bad with words, thus having the opportunity to pick up the 100th monkey effect. Where else could the meme have come from? - Zarathud 7/6/08 3:30 PM CT</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Shivan Incursion multiplayer mission was rather innovative, and had a fair amount of play from the Game of the Year Edition <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and from free downloads at Volition/Volition Watch</ins>. Plus, I was wrote a great deal for Volition Watch at the time and I'm not too bad with words, thus having the opportunity to pick up the 100th monkey effect. Where else could the meme have come from? - Zarathud 7/6/08 3:30 PM CT</div></td></tr> </table>

Zarathud https://wiki.hard-light.org/index.php?title=Talk:Second_Shivan_Incursion&diff=16817&oldid=prev Zarathud at 20:36, 6 July 2008 2008-07-06T20:36:43Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:36, 6 July 2008</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l26">Line 26:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 26:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Kinda self-centered of you to assume that a multi mission built for FS2 gave its name to the whole game's events ex post facto, isn't it? Incursion has lots of stuff going for it, since you can't really call it an invasion (the Shivans were the ones who got invaded really), incident sounds rather trite describing the blowing up of a star, etc. - [[User:Ngtm1r|Ngtm1r]] 03:55, 14 June 2008 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Kinda self-centered of you to assume that a multi mission built for FS2 gave its name to the whole game's events ex post facto, isn't it? Incursion has lots of stuff going for it, since you can't really call it an invasion (the Shivans were the ones who got invaded really), incident sounds rather trite describing the blowing up of a star, etc. - [[User:Ngtm1r|Ngtm1r]] 03:55, 14 June 2008 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Shivan Incursion multiplayer mission had a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">lot </del>of play from the Game of the Year Edition<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, and was rather innovative</del>. Plus, I<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'m not too bad with words and </del>wrote a great deal for Volition Watch at the time, thus <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">picking </del>up the 100th monkey effect. Where else <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">did </del>the meme come from?</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Shivan Incursion multiplayer mission <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">was rather innovative, and </ins>had a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">fair amount </ins>of play from the Game of the Year Edition. Plus, I <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">was </ins>wrote a great deal for Volition Watch at the time <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and I'm not too bad with words</ins>, thus <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">having the opportunity to pick </ins>up the 100th monkey effect. Where else <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">could </ins>the meme <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">have </ins>come from? <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">- Zarathud 7/6/08 3:30 PM CT</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Zarathud https://wiki.hard-light.org/index.php?title=Talk:Second_Shivan_Incursion&diff=16816&oldid=prev Zarathud at 20:34, 6 July 2008 2008-07-06T20:34:18Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:34, 6 July 2008</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l25">Line 25:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 25:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Kinda self-centered of you to assume that a multi mission built for FS2 gave its name to the whole game's events ex post facto, isn't it? Incursion has lots of stuff going for it, since you can't really call it an invasion (the Shivans were the ones who got invaded really), incident sounds rather trite describing the blowing up of a star, etc. - [[User:Ngtm1r|Ngtm1r]] 03:55, 14 June 2008 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Kinda self-centered of you to assume that a multi mission built for FS2 gave its name to the whole game's events ex post facto, isn't it? Incursion has lots of stuff going for it, since you can't really call it an invasion (the Shivans were the ones who got invaded really), incident sounds rather trite describing the blowing up of a star, etc. - [[User:Ngtm1r|Ngtm1r]] 03:55, 14 June 2008 (CDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The Shivan Incursion multiplayer mission had a lot of play from the Game of the Year Edition, and was rather innovative. Plus, I'm not too bad with words and wrote a great deal for Volition Watch at the time, thus picking up the 100th monkey effect. Where else did the meme come from?</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Zarathud https://wiki.hard-light.org/index.php?title=Talk:Second_Shivan_Incursion&diff=16441&oldid=prev Ngtm1r at 08:55, 14 June 2008 2008-06-14T08:55:15Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 08:55, 14 June 2008</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l23">Line 23:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 23:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Shivan Incursion is definitely non-canon. I expect the name Shivan Incursion came from the frequently-played multiplayer mission from the Game of the Year edition. I designed that mission at a LAN party based on a friend's comment about a hypothetical GTVA v. Shivan multiplayer match. While FS2 didn't have the code for true PvP, they had a blast flying around as Shivans long enough for me to tweak the mission with their play testing. - Zarathud 6/13/08 11:00 PM CT</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Shivan Incursion is definitely non-canon. I expect the name Shivan Incursion came from the frequently-played multiplayer mission from the Game of the Year edition. I designed that mission at a LAN party based on a friend's comment about a hypothetical GTVA v. Shivan multiplayer match. While FS2 didn't have the code for true PvP, they had a blast flying around as Shivans long enough for me to tweak the mission with their play testing. - Zarathud 6/13/08 11:00 PM CT</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Kinda self-centered of you to assume that a multi mission built for FS2 gave its name to the whole game's events ex post facto, isn't it? Incursion has lots of stuff going for it, since you can't really call it an invasion (the Shivans were the ones who got invaded really), incident sounds rather trite describing the blowing up of a star, etc. - [[User:Ngtm1r|Ngtm1r]] 03:55, 14 June 2008 (CDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Ngtm1r https://wiki.hard-light.org/index.php?title=Talk:Second_Shivan_Incursion&diff=16431&oldid=prev Zarathud at 04:06, 14 June 2008 2008-06-14T04:06:09Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 04:06, 14 June 2008</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l21">Line 21:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 21:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>- Um, why not just note that the dates are conjecture? The current formatting makes it look as if the events are also non-canon, at least to a reader unfamiliar with the story. Also, can we not have a mention at the top of this page that there's no 'formal' name for the FS2 war (cos AFAIK there isn't a canonical name; it's been called the 2nd Great War, 2nd Shivan War, Capella War/Capellan War/Capella Incident, and more in various threads and campaigns).</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>- Um, why not just note that the dates are conjecture? The current formatting makes it look as if the events are also non-canon, at least to a reader unfamiliar with the story. Also, can we not have a mention at the top of this page that there's no 'formal' name for the FS2 war (cos AFAIK there isn't a canonical name; it's been called the 2nd Great War, 2nd Shivan War, Capella War/Capellan War/Capella Incident, and more in various threads and campaigns).</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Shivan Incursion is definitely non-canon. I expect the name Shivan Incursion came from the frequently-played multiplayer mission from the Game of the Year edition. I designed that mission at a LAN party based on a friend's comment about a hypothetical GTVA v. Shivan multiplayer match. While FS2 didn't have the code for true PvP, they had a blast flying around as Shivans long enough for me to tweak the mission with their play testing. - Zarathud 6/13/08 11:00 PM CT</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Zarathud https://wiki.hard-light.org/index.php?title=Talk:Second_Shivan_Incursion&diff=4302&oldid=prev 81.129.144.91 at 15:15, 31 January 2006 2006-01-31T15:15:21Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:15, 31 January 2006</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l19">Line 19:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 19:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Guys, this is all MY conjecture. I structured it to fit the events of the NTF Rebellion the player engages in within a timeframe that could be considered within 18 months of the start of the Rebellion, and still fit everything in 2335 with a plausible length.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Guys, this is all MY conjecture. I structured it to fit the events of the NTF Rebellion the player engages in within a timeframe that could be considered within 18 months of the start of the Rebellion, and still fit everything in 2335 with a plausible length.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Unfortunately we don't have ANY actual dates to go on for this so I've done the whole thing in Silver, to denote canon events but non-canon dates. [[User:Galemp|Galemp]] 22:18, 21 Nov 2005 (CET)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Unfortunately we don't have ANY actual dates to go on for this so I've done the whole thing in Silver, to denote canon events but non-canon dates. [[User:Galemp|Galemp]] 22:18, 21 Nov 2005 (CET)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">- Um, why not just note that the dates are conjecture? The current formatting makes it look as if the events are also non-canon, at least to a reader unfamiliar with the story. Also, can we not have a mention at the top of this page that there's no 'formal' name for the FS2 war (cos AFAIK there isn't a canonical name; it's been called the 2nd Great War, 2nd Shivan War, Capella War/Capellan War/Capella Incident, and more in various threads and campaigns).</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

81.129.144.91 https://wiki.hard-light.org/index.php?title=Talk:Second_Shivan_Incursion&diff=1922&oldid=prev Galemp at 21:18, 21 November 2005 2005-11-21T21:18:31Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 21:18, 21 November 2005</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l16">Line 16:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 16:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>OK. Well, I'll have a think about this and see if I can come up with a way we can present the same information without the non canon stuff. It might be easier to set it up as a series of events rather than a proper timeline, i.e. without any sort of reference to specific dates. Then maybe add the relevant bits I posted here, and a bit of a discussion about how long the game probably spans. But I'll try that tomorrow. - Black Wolf</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>OK. Well, I'll have a think about this and see if I can come up with a way we can present the same information without the non canon stuff. It might be easier to set it up as a series of events rather than a proper timeline, i.e. without any sort of reference to specific dates. Then maybe add the relevant bits I posted here, and a bit of a discussion about how long the game probably spans. But I'll try that tomorrow. - Black Wolf</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Guys, this is all MY conjecture. I structured it to fit the events of the NTF Rebellion the player engages in within a timeframe that could be considered within 18 months of the start of the Rebellion, and still fit everything in 2335 with a plausible length.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Unfortunately we don't have ANY actual dates to go on for this so I've done the whole thing in Silver, to denote canon events but non-canon dates. [[User:Galemp|Galemp]] 22:18, 21 Nov 2005 (CET)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

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