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Grunt minion22: alright then

2009-12-24T17:31:07Z

alright then

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	**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)		**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
	***Did you use the retail executable? If not, then whatever you saw was not canon. Now, you asked me to explain this. I invite you to get a copy of the FSO source code, open the file code\missionui\missionshipchoice.cpp, find the function ship_select_blit_ship_info(). Scroll down until you see where sip->maneuverability is checked. As you can see (if you know how to read c++), the game assigns a fitting category based on the $rotation_time tbl value. Now, retrieve the original sourcecode Volition released. Open missionshipchoice.cpp. Go to ship_select_blit_ship_info(). You will not see the same functionality. Ergo, if you simply mark Shivan ships as flyable in ships.tbl, You will not get those categorizations. Ergo, they are NOT CANON. Ergo, if you wish to add these categories to the wiki entries, they need to be marked as non-canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)		***Did you use the retail executable? If not, then whatever you saw was not canon. Now, you asked me to explain this. I invite you to get a copy of the FSO source code, open the file code\missionui\missionshipchoice.cpp, find the function ship_select_blit_ship_info(). Scroll down until you see where sip->maneuverability is checked. As you can see (if you know how to read c++), the game assigns a fitting category based on the $rotation_time tbl value. Now, retrieve the original sourcecode Volition released. Open missionshipchoice.cpp. Go to ship_select_blit_ship_info(). You will not see the same functionality. Ergo, if you simply mark Shivan ships as flyable in ships.tbl, You will not get those categorizations. Ergo, they are NOT CANON. Ergo, if you wish to add these categories to the wiki entries, they need to be marked as non-canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
			****Ok then. Thanks for clearing it up. Its hard for me to test anything on retail since only SCP works for my pc now. I was just suprised of snail bringing something that happened 2 weeks ago. Since it looks to be non-canon, we will just simply put it behind bars and never speak of it again. Alright? [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 12:30pm 24 Decemeber 2009

The E: /* Shivan fighter/bomber stats */

2009-12-24T15:06:05Z

Shivan fighter/bomber stats

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	*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009		*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009
	**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)		**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
	***Did you use the retail executable? If not, then whatever you saw was not canon. Now, you asked me to explain this. I invite you to get a copy of the FSO source code, open the file code\missionui\missionshipchoice.cpp, find the function ship_select_blit_ship_info(). Scroll down until you see where sip->maneuverability is checked. As you can see (if you know how to read c++), the game assigns a fitting category based on the $rotation_time tbl value.		***Did you use the retail executable? If not, then whatever you saw was not canon. Now, you asked me to explain this. I invite you to get a copy of the FSO source code, open the file code\missionui\missionshipchoice.cpp, find the function ship_select_blit_ship_info(). Scroll down until you see where sip->maneuverability is checked. As you can see (if you know how to read c++), the game assigns a fitting category based on the $rotation_time tbl value. Now, retrieve the original sourcecode Volition released. Open missionshipchoice.cpp. Go to ship_select_blit_ship_info(). You will not see the same functionality. Ergo, if you simply mark Shivan ships as flyable in ships.tbl, You will not get those categorizations. Ergo, they are NOT CANON. Ergo, if you wish to add these categories to the wiki entries, they need to be marked as non-canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
	Now, retrieve the original sourcecode Volition released. Open missionshipchoice.cpp. Go to ship_select_blit_ship_info(). You will not see the same functionality. Ergo, if you simply mark Shivan ships as flyable in ships.tbl, You will not get those categorizations. Ergo, they are NOT CANON. Ergo, if you wish to add these categories to the wiki entries, they need to be marked as non-canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

The E: Sigh

2009-12-24T15:05:35Z

*Sigh*

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	*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009		*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009
	**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)		**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
	***Did you use the retail executable? If not, then whatever you saw was not canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 14:53, 24 December 2009 (UTC)		***Did you use the retail executable? If not, then whatever you saw was not canon. Now, you asked me to explain this. I invite you to get a copy of the FSO source code, open the file code\missionui\missionshipchoice.cpp, find the function ship_select_blit_ship_info(). Scroll down until you see where sip->maneuverability is checked. As you can see (if you know how to read c++), the game assigns a fitting category based on the $rotation_time tbl value.
			Now, retrieve the original sourcecode Volition released. Open missionshipchoice.cpp. Go to ship_select_blit_ship_info(). You will not see the same functionality. Ergo, if you simply mark Shivan ships as flyable in ships.tbl, You will not get those categorizations. Ergo, they are NOT CANON. Ergo, if you wish to add these categories to the wiki entries, they need to be marked as non-canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

The E: /* Shivan fighter/bomber stats */

2009-12-24T14:53:15Z

Shivan fighter/bomber stats

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	*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009		*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009
	**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)		**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
			***Did you use the retail executable? If not, then whatever you saw was not canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 14:53, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

TopAce at 14:43, 24 December 2009

2009-12-24T14:43:11Z

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	In conclusion, the other ship stats are canon, because we have definitive statements from :V: in the form of the tbl entries. The shivan stats you dug up, however, are not canon, because they are an interpretation some SCP developer made. Clear now? [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)		In conclusion, the other ship stats are canon, because we have definitive statements from :V: in the form of the tbl entries. The shivan stats you dug up, however, are not canon, because they are an interpretation some SCP developer made. Clear now? [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
	*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009		*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009
			**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Grunt minion22: One more thing i need 2 add

2009-12-24T13:44:30Z

One more thing i need 2 add

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	In conclusion, the other ship stats are canon, because we have definitive statements from :V: in the form of the tbl entries. The shivan stats you dug up, however, are not canon, because they are an interpretation some SCP developer made. Clear now? [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)		In conclusion, the other ship stats are canon, because we have definitive statements from :V: in the form of the tbl entries. The shivan stats you dug up, however, are not canon, because they are an interpretation some SCP developer made. Clear now? [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
	*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009		*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009

Grunt minion22: typo

2009-12-24T13:41:08Z

typo

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	In conclusion, the other ship stats are canon, because we have definitive statements from :V: in the form of the tbl entries. The shivan stats you dug up, however, are not canon, because they are an interpretation some SCP developer made. Clear now? [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)		In conclusion, the other ship stats are canon, because we have definitive statements from :V: in the form of the tbl entries. The shivan stats you dug up, however, are not canon, because they are an interpretation some SCP developer made. Clear now? [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
	*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor~~. It happened to me in retail~~. How do you explain that? [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009		*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009

Grunt minion22: /* Shivan fighter/bomber stats */

2009-12-24T13:39:26Z

Shivan fighter/bomber stats

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	In conclusion, the other ship stats are canon, because we have definitive statements from :V: in the form of the tbl entries. The shivan stats you dug up, however, are not canon, because they are an interpretation some SCP developer made. Clear now? [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)		In conclusion, the other ship stats are canon, because we have definitive statements from :V: in the form of the tbl entries. The shivan stats you dug up, however, are not canon, because they are an interpretation some SCP developer made. Clear now? [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
			*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. It happened to me in retail. How do you explain that? [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009

The E: Answering

2009-12-23T15:55:34Z

Answering

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	Seriously, as I have explained here: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=66830.msg1326426#msg1326426 this auto-assignment of classifications is a SCP addition. It was not present in the retail sourcecode, as a result, those classificatins are non-canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 13:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)		Seriously, as I have explained here: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=66830.msg1326426#msg1326426 this auto-assignment of classifications is a SCP addition. It was not present in the retail sourcecode, as a result, those classificatins are non-canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 13:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
	*Regardless, I STILL got those stats from the retail vp. files themselves, if it takes the SCP edition to view them, then so be it. Then explain this: how the heck are all the regular flyable fighters themselves stats are viewed? [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 9:47am 23 December 2009		*Regardless, I STILL got those stats from the retail vp. files themselves, if it takes the SCP edition to view them, then so be it. Then explain this: how the heck are all the regular flyable fighters themselves stats are viewed? [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 9:47am 23 December 2009

			Those stats are defined in the ships.tbl entries for those fighters. Player-flyable ships have these fields:
			+Type: XSTR("Strategic Assault", 2957)

			+Maneuverability: XSTR("Poor", 2958)

			+Armor: XSTR("Ultra Heavy", 2959)

			+Manufacturer: XSTR("Nankam Aeronautical", 2960)

			+Description: XSTR(" ", 2961)

			(Taking the Ares entry as an example)

			As you can see by the "+" in front of those entries, they are optional, meaning that the game will accept ships.tbl entries without them.
			The shivan ships lack those optional fields. In other words, if you make those ships flyable by altering tbl entries, you will not see those strings in retail, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT THERE. If you do the same using FSO, those stats will be autogenerated and then displayed.

			In conclusion, the other ship stats are canon, because we have definitive statements from :V: in the form of the tbl entries. The shivan stats you dug up, however, are not canon, because they are an interpretation some SCP developer made. Clear now? [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Grunt minion22: if it takes the SCP to view it, then so be it. Otherwise how else do u find those stats?

2009-12-23T15:37:17Z

if it takes the SCP to view it, then so be it. Otherwise how else do u find those stats?

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	Seriously, as I have explained here: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=66830.msg1326426#msg1326426 this auto-assignment of classifications is a SCP addition. It was not present in the retail sourcecode, as a result, those classificatins are non-canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 13:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)		Seriously, as I have explained here: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=66830.msg1326426#msg1326426 this auto-assignment of classifications is a SCP addition. It was not present in the retail sourcecode, as a result, those classificatins are non-canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 13:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
			*Regardless, I STILL got those stats from the retail vp. files themselves, if it takes the SCP edition to view them, then so be it. Then explain this: how the heck are all the regular flyable fighters themselves stats are viewed? [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 9:47am 23 December 2009

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	**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)		**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
	***Did you use the retail executable? If not, then whatever you saw was not canon. Now, you asked me to explain this. I invite you to get a copy of the FSO source code, open the file code\missionui\missionshipchoice.cpp, find the function ship_select_blit_ship_info(). Scroll down until you see where sip->maneuverability is checked. As you can see (if you know how to read c++), the game assigns a fitting category based on the $rotation_time tbl value. Now, retrieve the original sourcecode Volition released. Open missionshipchoice.cpp. Go to ship_select_blit_ship_info(). You will not see the same functionality. Ergo, if you simply mark Shivan ships as flyable in ships.tbl, You will not get those categorizations. Ergo, they are NOT CANON. Ergo, if you wish to add these categories to the wiki entries, they need to be marked as non-canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)		***Did you use the retail executable? If not, then whatever you saw was not canon. Now, you asked me to explain this. I invite you to get a copy of the FSO source code, open the file code\missionui\missionshipchoice.cpp, find the function ship_select_blit_ship_info(). Scroll down until you see where sip->maneuverability is checked. As you can see (if you know how to read c++), the game assigns a fitting category based on the $rotation_time tbl value. Now, retrieve the original sourcecode Volition released. Open missionshipchoice.cpp. Go to ship_select_blit_ship_info(). You will not see the same functionality. Ergo, if you simply mark Shivan ships as flyable in ships.tbl, You will not get those categorizations. Ergo, they are NOT CANON. Ergo, if you wish to add these categories to the wiki entries, they need to be marked as non-canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
			****Ok then. Thanks for clearing it up. Its hard for me to test anything on retail since only SCP works for my pc now. I was just suprised of snail bringing something that happened 2 weeks ago. Since it looks to be non-canon, we will just simply put it behind bars and never speak of it again. Alright? [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 12:30pm 24 Decemeber 2009

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	*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009		*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009
	**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)		**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
	***Did you use the retail executable? If not, then whatever you saw was not canon. Now, you asked me to explain this. I invite you to get a copy of the FSO source code, open the file code\missionui\missionshipchoice.cpp, find the function ship_select_blit_ship_info(). Scroll down until you see where sip->maneuverability is checked. As you can see (if you know how to read c++), the game assigns a fitting category based on the $rotation_time tbl value.		***Did you use the retail executable? If not, then whatever you saw was not canon. Now, you asked me to explain this. I invite you to get a copy of the FSO source code, open the file code\missionui\missionshipchoice.cpp, find the function ship_select_blit_ship_info(). Scroll down until you see where sip->maneuverability is checked. As you can see (if you know how to read c++), the game assigns a fitting category based on the $rotation_time tbl value. Now, retrieve the original sourcecode Volition released. Open missionshipchoice.cpp. Go to ship_select_blit_ship_info(). You will not see the same functionality. Ergo, if you simply mark Shivan ships as flyable in ships.tbl, You will not get those categorizations. Ergo, they are NOT CANON. Ergo, if you wish to add these categories to the wiki entries, they need to be marked as non-canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
	Now, retrieve the original sourcecode Volition released. Open missionshipchoice.cpp. Go to ship_select_blit_ship_info(). You will not see the same functionality. Ergo, if you simply mark Shivan ships as flyable in ships.tbl, You will not get those categorizations. Ergo, they are NOT CANON. Ergo, if you wish to add these categories to the wiki entries, they need to be marked as non-canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

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	*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009		*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009
	**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)		**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
	***Did you use the retail executable? If not, then whatever you saw was not canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 14:53, 24 December 2009 (UTC)		***Did you use the retail executable? If not, then whatever you saw was not canon. Now, you asked me to explain this. I invite you to get a copy of the FSO source code, open the file code\missionui\missionshipchoice.cpp, find the function ship_select_blit_ship_info(). Scroll down until you see where sip->maneuverability is checked. As you can see (if you know how to read c++), the game assigns a fitting category based on the $rotation_time tbl value.
			Now, retrieve the original sourcecode Volition released. Open missionshipchoice.cpp. Go to ship_select_blit_ship_info(). You will not see the same functionality. Ergo, if you simply mark Shivan ships as flyable in ships.tbl, You will not get those categorizations. Ergo, they are NOT CANON. Ergo, if you wish to add these categories to the wiki entries, they need to be marked as non-canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

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	*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009		*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009
	**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)		**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
			***Did you use the retail executable? If not, then whatever you saw was not canon. [[User:The E\|The E]] 14:53, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

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	In conclusion, the other ship stats are canon, because we have definitive statements from :V: in the form of the tbl entries. The shivan stats you dug up, however, are not canon, because they are an interpretation some SCP developer made. Clear now? [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)		In conclusion, the other ship stats are canon, because we have definitive statements from :V: in the form of the tbl entries. The shivan stats you dug up, however, are not canon, because they are an interpretation some SCP developer made. Clear now? [[User:The E\|The E]] 15:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
	*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009		*When I removed the +maneuverability, and made the rotation time worse by adding a bunch of 0s, i saved, booted up the game, and that ship i modified maneuverability actually gave me feedback. Instead of Very Good, it said Extremely poor. How do you explain that? Or instead, we can make a seperate stat bar for each ship, with above it saying "This is not canon unless comfirmed by Violation etc." and place those stats there. [[User:Grunt minion22\|Grunt minion22]] 8:38am 24 December 2009
			**These are SCP additions. Volition won't canonize them ever. - [[User:TopAce\|TopAce]] 14:43, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

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Grunt minion22: alright then

The E: /* Shivan fighter/bomber stats */

The E: *Sigh*

The E: /* Shivan fighter/bomber stats */

TopAce at 14:43, 24 December 2009

Grunt minion22: One more thing i need 2 add

Grunt minion22: typo

Grunt minion22: /* Shivan fighter/bomber stats */

The E: Answering

Grunt minion22: if it takes the SCP to view it, then so be it. Otherwise how else do u find those stats?

The E: Sigh