Veteran Comments policy - Revision history

TopAce: link to HLP Wiki board

2020-11-01T10:25:49Z

link to HLP Wiki board

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	This is a Wiki, so Veteran Comments are not handled like forum posts by individual users—other contributors are allowed to edit any Veteran Comments for accuracy, clarity of expression, or grammar. For this reason, do '''not''' sign any Veteran Comments you make.		This is a Wiki, so Veteran Comments are not handled like forum posts by individual users—other contributors are allowed to edit any Veteran Comments for accuracy, clarity of expression, or grammar. For this reason, do '''not''' sign any Veteran Comments you make.

	Through all this, remember that this policy is not meant to discourage helpful contributors. '''Be bold''', as they say on Wikipedia. If you are unsure of something, start a discussion on the Talk Page or forums. If you are fairly certain of it, edit the article accordingly. Thanks to the Wiki architecture, errors can be corrected or removed later.		Through all this, remember that this policy is not meant to discourage helpful contributors. '''Be bold''', as they say on Wikipedia. If you are unsure of something, start a discussion on the Talk Page or [https://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?board=122.0 forums]. If you are fairly certain of it, edit the article accordingly. Thanks to the Wiki architecture, errors can be corrected or removed later.

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Androgeos Exeunt: the

2020-08-25T14:06:21Z

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	* Notes for FREDders (e.g. the [[SB Nephilim\|''Nephilim'']] doesn't carry bombs in its default loadout; certain bombers carry [[GTM Phoenix V\|Phoenix missile]]s but the [[good-secondary-time]] SEXP must be used to enable them to fire).		* Notes for FREDders (e.g. the [[SB Nephilim\|''Nephilim'']] doesn't carry bombs in its default loadout; certain bombers carry [[GTM Phoenix V\|Phoenix missile]]s but the [[good-secondary-time]] SEXP must be used to enable them to fire).
	* Info on special gun placements and which banks correspond to which guns (e.g. the [[GTB Ursa\|''Ursa'']]'s top-right gun is inaccurate against anything small).		* Info on special gun placements and which banks correspond to which guns (e.g. the [[GTB Ursa\|''Ursa'']]'s top-right gun is inaccurate against anything small).
	* Warnings about any problems with the ship (e.g. [[GVF Tauret\|''Tauret'']] cannot really use Kaysers due to energy constraints).		* Warnings about any problems with the ship (e.g. the [[GVF Tauret\|''Tauret'']] cannot really use Kaysers due to energy constraints).
	* Weaknesses (e.g. the [[GTF Valkyrie\|''Valkyrie'']]'s Comms tends to get disabled when unshielded, which may cause the player to miss critical dialogue).		* Weaknesses (e.g. the [[GTF Valkyrie\|''Valkyrie'']]'s Comms tends to get disabled when unshielded, which may cause the player to miss critical dialogue).
	* Any interesting facts that have not been pointed out elsewhere (e.g. mediavps version of the [[GTC Aeolus\|''Aeolus'']] adds a fighterbay).		* Any interesting facts that have not been pointed out elsewhere (e.g. the mediavps version of the [[GTC Aeolus\|''Aeolus'']] adds a fighterbay).
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	* Blind spots (e.g. in front and ever so slightly above a [[SCv Moloch\|''Moloch'']], only a single blob turret can reach you).		* Blind spots (e.g. in front and ever so slightly above a [[SCv Moloch\|''Moloch'']], only a single blob turret can reach you).
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	* Highly subjective and debatable statements like "extremely weak" or "totally useless" that are not backed up by facts.		* Highly subjective and debatable statements like "extremely weak" or "totally useless" that are not backed up by facts.
	* Vulgarities (e.g. "the [[GTW Leech Cannon]] is fucking shit").		* Vulgarities (e.g. "the [[GTW Leech Cannon]] is fucking shit").
	* Redundancy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, ~~don't~~ repeat it.		* Redundancy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, do not repeat it.
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Androgeos Exeunt: Internal link added for Leech Cannon.

2020-07-12T04:52:59Z

Internal link added for Leech Cannon.

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	* Mission-specific comments (e.g. the [[GTM Trebuchet]] should be used to destroy the forward flak guns of the [[SJ Sathanas\|''Sathanas'']] in [[Bearbaiting]]). Comments like these should be integrated into an article related to the mission.		* Mission-specific comments (e.g. the [[GTM Trebuchet]] should be used to destroy the forward flak guns of the [[SJ Sathanas\|''Sathanas'']] in [[Bearbaiting]]). Comments like these should be integrated into an article related to the mission.
	* Highly subjective and debatable statements like "extremely weak" or "totally useless" that are not backed up by facts.		* Highly subjective and debatable statements like "extremely weak" or "totally useless" that are not backed up by facts.
	* Vulgarities (e.g. "the Leech Cannon is fucking shit").		* Vulgarities (e.g. "the [[GTW Leech Cannon]] is fucking shit").
	* Redundancy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, don't repeat it.		* Redundancy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, don't repeat it.
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Androgeos Exeunt: Changed vulgarity example.

2020-07-12T04:51:20Z

Changed vulgarity example.

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	* Mission-specific comments (e.g. the [[GTM Trebuchet]] should be used to destroy the forward flak guns of the [[SJ Sathanas\|''Sathanas'']] in [[Bearbaiting]]). Comments like these should be integrated into an article related to the mission.		* Mission-specific comments (e.g. the [[GTM Trebuchet]] should be used to destroy the forward flak guns of the [[SJ Sathanas\|''Sathanas'']] in [[Bearbaiting]]). Comments like these should be integrated into an article related to the mission.
	* Highly subjective and debatable statements like "extremely weak" or "totally useless" that are not backed up by facts.		* Highly subjective and debatable statements like "extremely weak" or "totally useless" that are not backed up by facts.
	* Vulgarities (e.g. "~~a piece of crap~~").		* Vulgarities (e.g. "the Leech Cannon is fucking shit").
	* Redundancy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, don't repeat it.		* Redundancy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, don't repeat it.
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Androgeos Exeunt: Androgeos Exeunt moved page Veteran comments policy to Veteran Comments policy over redirect: Capped the C for consistency.

2020-07-04T06:40:47Z

Androgeos Exeunt moved page Veteran comments policy to Veteran Comments policy over redirect: Capped the C for consistency.

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Androgeos Exeunt: Feel free to revert or change the table formatting if there is too much eye bleach.

2020-06-21T06:13:18Z

Feel free to revert or change the table formatting if there is too much eye bleach.

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	~~Early in 2008, the~~ FreeSpace Wiki ~~community came to the consensus that many of its Veteran Comments sections had devolved into blogs.~~ Veteran Comments ~~were originally intended to provide useful information about various ships that wasn't apparent from their table statistics. From now on~~, ~~contributors are asked to maintain~~ a ~~certain level of quality in their Comments.~~		<div style="padding: 1px 2px 1px 2px; background-color: #351515; border: solid 1px #995050; padding: 0px 4px; font-size: -1; color: #FFCCCC"><font color=#FFFFFF><center>
			The FreeSpace Wiki's Veteran Comments policy, in a nutshell, is:

	~~[http:~~/~~/www.hard-light~~.~~net~~/~~forums/index~~.~~php/topic,25506.140.html A Wiki forums discussion] has come to some conclusions~~. ~~Here are a few examples of what information a '~~'~~useful~~'' ~~Veteran Comment might include, although this list is far from all-inclusive:~~		<big>'''Do ''<u>not</u>'' treat the Veteran Comments section like MySpace, Facebook, or Twitter.<br/>
			Verified and useful information is valued. Highly subjective and useless comments are not.'''</big>
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	~~'''All articles:'''~~		Early in 2008, the FreeSpace Wiki community came to the consensus that many of its Veteran Comments sections had devolved into blogs. Veteran Comments were originally introduced to provide useful information about various ships that were not apparent from their table statistics and/or in-game descriptions. Consequently, contributors were asked to maintain a certain level of quality in their Comments.
	* Notes for FREDders (the [[SB Nephilim\|Nephilim]] doesn't carry bombs in ~~its default loadout~~, ~~certain bombers carry Phoenixes but~~ the ~~[[good-secondary-time]] SEXP must be used~~ to ~~enable them~~ to ~~fire)~~
	* Info on special gun placements and ~~which banks correspond to which guns (Ursa's top~~-~~right gun~~, ~~which is uselessly inaccurate versus anything small)~~
	* Warnings about any problems with the ship (Tauret can't really use Kaysers due to ~~energy constraints)~~
	* Weaknesses (the weapons systems on the Erinyes and Athena are extremely exposed. ~~Think 95% hull and no weapons working)~~
	* Any interesting facts that have not been pointed out elsewhere

	~~'''Capship articles~~:~~'''~~		[http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,25506.140.html A discussion on the Hard Light Productions forums regarding the subject] has come to the following conclusions, and some examples of what a Veteran Comment should and should not contain:
	* Blind spots (in front and ever so slightly above a Moloch, ~~only a single blob turret can reach you)~~
	* Special issues (the ~~Azrael is effectively impossible to disable due~~ to the ~~engine placement)~~

	'''~~What~~ a ~~Veteran Comment should~~ ''~~not~~'' ~~contain:~~'''		{\| border=1 cellpadding=4 style="border-collapse: collapse; border: solid 1px #995050;"
	*Blog-like descriptions that point out strengths/weaknesses under rare circumstances.		\|- align="center" colspan=3 style="background:#351515; border: solid 1px #995050;"
	*Speculation about how powerful the given ship would be if its default armament ~~weren~~'~~t what it is. (An~~ Arcadia could be more powerful if ~~it had~~ beams~~, but it doesn't!~~)		\| style="width:8%" \|
	*Speculation about the motives behind a given ship or weapon (~~Why did~~ the NTF use Prometheus R ~~cannons instead~~ of ~~Kaysers? Why was~~ the Valkyrie ~~decommissioned?~~)		\| style="width:46%" \| '''All Articles'''
	*Mission-specific comments (~~This ship is very useful in this mission under these circumstances)~~. ~~Comments like these are~~ to ~~be made in~~ the ~~relevant article. (Use~~ the ~~Trebuchets like this~~ in [[Bearbaiting]])		\| style="width:46%" \| '''Capital Ship Articles'''
	*Highly subjective and debatable statements like ''extremely weak'' or ''totally useless''.		\|- align="left"
	*Vulgarities ~~like ''~~a piece of crap''.		\| '''Should Contain''' \|\|
	*Redundancy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, don't repeat it.		* Notes for FREDders (e.g. the [[SB Nephilim\|''Nephilim'']] doesn't carry bombs in its default loadout; certain bombers carry [[GTM Phoenix V\|Phoenix missile]]s but the [[good-secondary-time]] SEXP must be used to enable them to fire).
			* Info on special gun placements and which banks correspond to which guns (e.g. the [[GTB Ursa\|''Ursa'']]'s top-right gun is inaccurate against anything small).
			* Warnings about any problems with the ship (e.g. [[GVF Tauret\|''Tauret'']] cannot really use Kaysers due to energy constraints).
			* Weaknesses (e.g. the [[GTF Valkyrie\|''Valkyrie'']]'s Comms tends to get disabled when unshielded, which may cause the player to miss critical dialogue).
			* Any interesting facts that have not been pointed out elsewhere (e.g. mediavps version of the [[GTC Aeolus\|''Aeolus'']] adds a fighterbay).
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			* Blind spots (e.g. in front and ever so slightly above a [[SCv Moloch\|''Moloch'']], only a single blob turret can reach you).
			* Special issues (e.g the [[ST Azrael\|''Azrael'']] is effectively impossible to disable due to the engine placement).
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			\| colspan=1 \| '''Should Not Contain''' \|\| colspan=2 \|
			* Blog-like descriptions that point out strengths/weaknesses under rare circumstances.
			* Speculation about how powerful the given ship would be if its default armament was changed (e.g. an [[GTI Arcadia\|''Arcadia'']] could be more powerful if its blob turrets were replaced with beams).
			* Speculation about the motives behind the use of a given ship or weapon (e.g. in-universe speculation of why the NTF use the [[GTW Prometheus R]], or the decommissioning of the GTF ''Valkyrie'')
			* Mission-specific comments (e.g. the [[GTM Trebuchet]] should be used to destroy the forward flak guns of the [[SJ Sathanas\|''Sathanas'']] in [[Bearbaiting]]). Comments like these should be integrated into an article related to the mission.
			* Highly subjective and debatable statements like "extremely weak" or "totally useless" that are not backed up by facts.
			* Vulgarities (e.g. "a piece of crap").
			* Redundancy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, don't repeat it.
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	~~The thrust of the Veteran Comments reform movement~~ is, ~~''' '' do not treat~~ Veteran Comments ~~like Myspace. Verified and useful information is valued; highly subjective and useless comments~~ are not~~. '' ''' Veteran comments are not treated as~~ forum posts by ~~one user~~—other contributors are allowed to edit ~~the comments~~ for accuracy, clarity of expression, or grammar. ~~Accordingly~~, ~~please don~~'t sign ~~your~~ Veteran Comments.		This is a Wiki, so Veteran Comments are not handled like forum posts by individual users—other contributors are allowed to edit any Veteran Comments for accuracy, clarity of expression, or grammar. For this reason, do '''not''' sign any Veteran Comments you make.

	Through all this, remember that this policy is not meant to discourage helpful contributors. '''Be bold''', as they say on Wikipedia. If you~~'re not sure~~ of something, start a discussion on the Talk Page. If you are fairly certain of it, edit the article accordingly. Thanks to the Wiki architecture, errors can be corrected or removed later.		Through all this, remember that this policy is not meant to discourage helpful contributors. '''Be bold''', as they say on Wikipedia. If you are unsure of something, start a discussion on the Talk Page or forums. If you are fairly certain of it, edit the article accordingly. Thanks to the Wiki architecture, errors can be corrected or removed later.

	[[Category:Main]]		[[Category:Main]]

TopAce: superfluous determiner removed + more info (users are allowed to edit other users' comments + don't sign your comments)

2009-12-28T15:49:51Z

superfluous determiner removed + more info (users are allowed to edit other users' comments + don't sign your comments)

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	*Redundancy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, don't repeat it.		*Redundancy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, don't repeat it.

	The thrust of the Veteran Comments reform movement is, ''' '' do not treat Veteran Comments like Myspace. Verified and useful information is valued; highly subjective and useless comments are not. '' '''		The thrust of the Veteran Comments reform movement is, ''' '' do not treat Veteran Comments like Myspace. Verified and useful information is valued; highly subjective and useless comments are not. '' ''' Veteran comments are not treated as forum posts by one user—other contributors are allowed to edit the comments for accuracy, clarity of expression, or grammar. Accordingly, please don't sign your Veteran Comments.

	Through all this, remember that this policy is not meant to discourage helpful contributors. '''Be bold''', as they say on Wikipedia. If you're not sure of something, start a discussion on the Talk Page. If you are fairly certain of it, edit the article accordingly. Thanks to the Wiki architecture, errors can ~~very easily~~ be corrected or removed later.		Through all this, remember that this policy is not meant to discourage helpful contributors. '''Be bold''', as they say on Wikipedia. If you're not sure of something, start a discussion on the Talk Page. If you are fairly certain of it, edit the article accordingly. Thanks to the Wiki architecture, errors can be corrected or removed later.

	[[Category:Main]]		[[Category:Main]]

Qent: Missing right parenthesis and spelling

2009-06-26T15:01:41Z

Missing right parenthesis and spelling

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	*Blog-like descriptions that point out strengths/weaknesses under rare circumstances.		*Blog-like descriptions that point out strengths/weaknesses under rare circumstances.
	*Speculation about how powerful the given ship would be if its default armament weren't what it is. (An Arcadia could be more powerful if it had beams, but it doesn't!)		*Speculation about how powerful the given ship would be if its default armament weren't what it is. (An Arcadia could be more powerful if it had beams, but it doesn't!)
	*Speculation about the motives behind a given ship or weapon (Why did the NTF use Prometheus R cannons instead of Kaysers? Why was the Valkyrie decommissioned?		*Speculation about the motives behind a given ship or weapon (Why did the NTF use Prometheus R cannons instead of Kaysers? Why was the Valkyrie decommissioned?)
	*Mission-specific comments (This ship is very useful in this mission under these circumstances). Comments like these are to be made in the relevant article. (Use the Trebuchets like this in [[Bearbaiting]])		*Mission-specific comments (This ship is very useful in this mission under these circumstances). Comments like these are to be made in the relevant article. (Use the Trebuchets like this in [[Bearbaiting]])
	*Highly subjective and debatable statements like ''extremely weak'' or ''totally useless''.		*Highly subjective and debatable statements like ''extremely weak'' or ''totally useless''.
	*Vulgarities like ''a piece of crap''.		*Vulgarities like ''a piece of crap''.
	*~~Redundnacy~~ with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, don't repeat it.		*Redundancy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, don't repeat it.

	The thrust of the Veteran Comments reform movement is, ''' '' do not treat Veteran Comments like Myspace. Verified and useful information is valued; highly subjective and useless comments are not. '' '''		The thrust of the Veteran Comments reform movement is, ''' '' do not treat Veteran Comments like Myspace. Verified and useful information is valued; highly subjective and useless comments are not. '' '''

Ngtm1r: Easier to ask forgiveness then beg permission; trimming things that were objected to and making a note about redundancy

2009-06-20T09:00:17Z

Easier to ask forgiveness then beg permission; trimming things that were objected to and making a note about redundancy

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	*Blog-like descriptions that point out strengths/weaknesses under rare circumstances.		*Blog-like descriptions that point out strengths/weaknesses under rare circumstances.
	*Speculation about how powerful the given ship would be if its default armament weren't what it is. (An Arcadia could be more powerful if it had beams, but it doesn't!)		*Speculation about how powerful the given ship would be if its default armament weren't what it is. (An Arcadia could be more powerful if it had beams, but it doesn't!)
	*Discussing about a ship's default loadout that doesn't make an in-mission appearance (The Lucifer in FreeSpace 2)
	*Speculation about the motives behind a given ship or weapon (Why did the NTF use Prometheus R cannons instead of Kaysers? Why was the Valkyrie decommissioned?		*Speculation about the motives behind a given ship or weapon (Why did the NTF use Prometheus R cannons instead of Kaysers? Why was the Valkyrie decommissioned?
	*Mission-specific comments (This ship is very useful in this mission under these circumstances). Comments like these are to be made in the relevant article. (Use the Trebuchets like this in [[Bearbaiting]])		*Mission-specific comments (This ship is very useful in this mission under these circumstances). Comments like these are to be made in the relevant article. (Use the Trebuchets like this in [[Bearbaiting]])
	*Highly subjective and debatable statements like ''extremely weak'' or ''totally useless''.		*Highly subjective and debatable statements like ''extremely weak'' or ''totally useless''.
	*Vulgarities like ''a piece of crap''.		*Vulgarities like ''a piece of crap''.
	*~~Useless and trivial information~~.		*Redundnacy with comments already made; if a particular facet of tactics, weapons, or facts about a ship has already been pointed out, don't repeat it.

	The thrust of the Veteran Comments reform movement is, ''' '' do not treat Veteran Comments like Myspace. Verified and useful information is valued; highly subjective and useless comments are not. '' '''		The thrust of the Veteran Comments reform movement is, ''' '' do not treat Veteran Comments like Myspace. Verified and useful information is valued; highly subjective and useless comments are not. '' '''

TopAce: some expansion (What a VC should no contain)

2009-06-16T12:44:32Z

some expansion (What a VC should no contain)

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 * Blind spots (in front and ever so slightly above a Moloch, only a single blob turret can reach you)
 * Special issues (the Azrael is effectively impossible to disable due to the engine placement)
 The thrust of the Veteran Comments reform movement is, ''' '' do not treat Veteran Comments like Myspace. Verified and useful information is valued; highly subjective and useless comments are not. '' '''